Fats For Old Birds

[frankdooman]

Got to disagree lads don't kid yirsell the big boys are all over the top of it trust me

[William Reid]

a pigeon may know what it needs to eat

to stay healthy

to breed

to repair muscle etc etc

 

but it doesnt know your going to send it 5/600 miles therefore any extra fuel you can give them(what they dont think they need) will help them on their way.

 

Mick

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[paddymac]

a pigeon may know what it needs to eat

to stay healthy

to breed

to repair muscle etc etc

 

but it doesnt know your going to send it 5/600 miles therefore any extra fuel you can give them(what they dont think they need) will help them on their way.

 

Mick

Have to agree Mik, I liken the pigeons feed and going on a journey much the same, a pigeon needs the fuel (feed) to prepare and help it compete in the longer races just like we need fuel in our cars for going on journeys. If we haven't enough fuel in the tank we are not going to reach our destination much the same as the pigeon if not prepared right with the proper fuel for the longer races.

[frankdooman]

Here's my take way. If u are realy interested in the distance 550 Mls then u cannot hold back feeding starting right back to the moult time it starts there but at the racing u got to suffer the early races protein on return from race for at least two days I use breed and wean then Tuesday/ Wednesday Thursday am Gerry plus Thursday nite frid widowhood mix I use this for 3/4 races then start to tweek as the racing goes up say at. 150/250/300/400 and so on after say 4th race I start moving the widowhood back to Thursday/ frid and by the time u get to the 300/400 ml stage it's protein sun maybe mon am Gerry mon./ pm Tuesday / Wednesday / two mixes of widowhood super widow to Thursday nite Friday buck tons extra high energy now here comes the wee twist that some fanciers say winning lofts secretes all that can move depending on the weather/ racing ( hard or easy) that comes down to experience judging your own team of birds what works very well for me might not for u so some think I've held something back and instead of looking at them self it's easier to blame some one I've done it many times yes I give wee bits and piece peanuts oil brewers yeast kelp the one thing I do wrong is I never rite it down so all that can change a bit I've tried to do it but failed miserably

[tiger]

Here's my take way. If u are realy interested in the distance 550 Mls then u cannot hold back feeding starting right back to the moult time it starts there but at the racing u got to suffer the early races protein on return from race for at least two days I use breed and wean then Tuesday/ Wednesday Thursday am Gerry plus Thursday nite frid widowhood mix I use this for 3/4 races then start to tweek as the racing goes up say at. 150/250/300/400 and so on after say 4th race I start moving the widowhood back to Thursday/ frid and by the time u get to the 300/400 ml stage it's protein sun maybe mon am Gerry mon./ pm Tuesday / Wednesday / two mixes of widowhood super widow to Thursday nite Friday buck tons extra high energy now here comes the wee twist that some fanciers say winning lofts secretes all that can move depending on the weather/ racing ( hard or easy) that comes down to experience judging your own team of birds what works very well for me might not for u so some think I've held something back and instead of looking at them self it's easier to blame some one I've done it many times yes I give wee bits and piece peanuts oil brewers yeast kelp the one thing I do wrong is I never rite it down so all that can change a bit I've tried to do it but failed miserably

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[frankdooman]

Didn't know u we're watching lol that's my secretes out now

[walterboswell59]

good fanciers have proved down the years that good fit pigeons will win on any good clean grain if your winning with what your using then thats the stuff to use someguys would like you to think feeding is a big secret to let you think they know something you dont feeding is another unproven theory someones opionion because there getting good results feeding a certain kind of grain and another good fancier can be getting great results feeding something very different which stands it all on its head the only proven fact is good birds and good fanciers will win on any good grain no matter what type it is

[andy Burgess]

good fanciers have proved down the years that good fit pigeons will win on any good clean grain if your winning with what your using then thats the stuff to use someguys would like you to think feeding is a big secret to let you think they know something you dont feeding is another unproven theory someones opionion because there getting good results feeding a certain kind of grain and another good fancier can be getting great results feeding something very different which stands it all on its head the only proven fact is good birds and good fanciers will win on any good grain no matter what type it is

 

great speech

[frankdooman]

Yes I agree 100 percent Walter I've been lucky being very friendly with two guys that really know their stuff about the goods and bad I've listened closely and tweeked it to suit me I've also spoken to a feeding dieticision Who actually invented most of the modern mixes that was very interesting the well versed fancier I was with might want to comment that's up to him he actually cought the expert out a few times but when challenged he gave what I consider a fair ans. these manufacturers spend big money to try and get it rite for the birds but fanciers being what wee are think wee know better and are very fussy/ stuck in our ways that was me for many years but for me it completely changed my results and attitude yes there is always exceptions to this but are they fanciers one telling the truth and are they consistent ? As for the quality of the I wonder just how many of us would know good feeding let me explain that a bit if feeding was left in damp bad conditions and went damp mouldy and I separated half of it and polished one half with a dish cloth could any of know that was the same feeding also how or what has been added to the corn from harvest to loft has it been gassed to keep in the damp hold of a boat for months wee will never know so wee have to trust one think u will know when u get a bad lot it will show very quickly in the birds all these unknowns is what makes our sport great this is just my opinion/ experience over many years every day is a school day

[walterboswell59]

Yes I agree 100 percent Walter I've been lucky being very friendly with two guys that really know their stuff about the goods and bad I've listened closely and tweeked it to suit me I've also spoken to a feeding dieticision Who actually invented most of the modern mixes that was very interesting the well versed fancier I was with might want to comment that's up to him he actually cought the expert out a few times but when challenged he gave what I consider a fair ans. these manufacturers spend big money to try and get it rite for the birds but fanciers being what wee are think wee know better and are very fussy/ stuck in our ways that was me for many years but for me it completely changed my results and attitude yes there is always exceptions to this but are they fanciers one telling the truth and are they consistent ? As for the quality of the I wonder just how many of us would know good feeding let me explain that a bit if feeding was left in damp bad conditions and went damp mouldy and I separated half of it and polished one half with a dish cloth could any of know that was the same feeding also how or what has been added to the corn from harvest to loft has it been gassed to keep in the damp hold of a boat for months wee will never know so wee have to trust one think u will know when u get a bad lot it will show very quickly in the birds all these unknowns is what makes our sport great this is just my opinion/ experience over many years every day is a school day

i agree with you 100 percent frank many roads lead to rome m8

[frankdooman]

Just trying to part with my secretes Walter lol

[Tony C]

thanks Tony ,

are you still trying the bean based feed for the distance birds ? I done well with a system close to yours

from 270 miles I had a 3rd combine and a 4th combine from 365 miles

 

You like me have found out that beans are not to be sniffed at, contrary to what others might have you believe.

 

Good quality beans are hard to get locally and the corn shop wants £18 a bag which I refuse to pay when you see them advertised up country for half that amount. I have just purchased a few bags of a bean/maple/tare mix which I'm going to feed my team of naturals and see how it goes, am not a fan of maples though it has to be said.

[neila]

a pigeon may know what it needs to eat

to stay healthy

to breed

to repair muscle etc etc

 

but it doesnt know your going to send it 5/600 miles therefore any extra fuel you can give them(what they dont think they need) will help them on their way.

 

Mick

 

 

very good point Mick , its not like other birds that feed to make a long flight to a warm climate etc and they for what i have read do stock up on fats prior to the flight

[Guest Paulo]

Good pigeons are what matters ask 10 different top fanciers how they feed and you get 10 different answers.

 

Geoff Kirkland feeds diet early in the week and so does Richard Turner and they have won plenty. You just have to pick a method and its trial and error to see if it suits you

[Lennut Tar]

According to what I have read so far Eddy Newcombe should never have won a race far less been the most successful National flier in Scotland.

His 365 days feed was 1/3 BEANS 1/3 AMERICAN CORN 1/3 PEANUTS. I am off the belief that we the fanciers are being brainwashed by the feed company's such as V/Laga to use their mixes as they are the best according to them and feed suppliers who stock nothing else but the product they wish to flog you.

 

 

All part of the spin from the spin doctor's that we are fed now with all these fancy mixtures etc I'm afraid. I would suggest it makes the owners feel good, when they feed those type of mixes to their birds, the birds thou wonder at times what are we being made to eat this week type of thing & wish there owner's would just use the kiss theory

[neila]

You like me have found out that beans are not to be sniffed at, contrary to what others might have you believe.

 

Good quality beans are hard to get locally and the corn shop wants £18 a bag which I refuse to pay when you see them advertised up country for half that amount. I have just purchased a few bags of a bean/maple/tare mix which I'm going to feed my team of naturals and see how it goes, am not a fan of maples though it has to be said.

 

 

Tony

there is a farm just north of Hertford that sells clean food

beans £10 ,wheat and Barley £5 rape £10 ,maples £12 not to far from you if you buy a few bags its worth the trip a lot of lads go there and its all in 25kg bags

[neila]

Good pigeons are what matters ask 10 different top fanciers how they feed and you get 10 different answers.

 

Geoff Kirkland feeds diet early in the week and so does Richard Turner and they have won plenty. You just have to pick a method and its trial and error to see if it suits you

 

yes they do , I that was the point of the topic I started to try to find out why early in the week as its full of fats

[Guest Paulo]

yes they do , I that was the point of the topic I started to try to find out why early in the week as its full of fats

 

To get the body back on the birds as its rich and easy digestable. Then later in the week the carb content is increased with bringing a widow hood mix in on the wednesday night. Then friday morning diet again as fats and the birds like to eat it.

 

A lot also feed protein after the race on sunday to help repair muscle

[neila]

To get the body back on the birds as its rich and easy digestable. Then later in the week the carb content is increased with bringing a widow hood mix in on the wednesday night. Then friday morning diet again as fats and the birds like to eat it.

 

A lot also feed protein after the race on sunday to help repair muscle

 

hi Paulo

I feed protein sunday / Monday then I go carbs then on to carbs and fats , as I don't understand why the fats in the super diet get fed early when a protein feed could be used say to Tuesday going on to a carbs fats type feed from then onwards

 

would you think the fancier that feed fats early would have no need to add any fats wed and Thursday

thanks

[neila]

According to what I have read so far Eddy Newcombe should never have won a race far less been the most successful National flier in Scotland.

His 365 days feed was 1/3 BEANS 1/3 AMERICAN CORN 1/3 PEANUTS. I am off the belief that we the fanciers are being brainwashed by the feed company's such as V/Laga to use their mixes as they are the best according to them and feed suppliers who stock nothing else but the product they wish to flog you.

 

 

blimey that is a high protein high fat mix ,wonder how he went about the amount to feed them just thinking if like mine they would eat the peanuts all day

[Guest bigda]

Good pigeons are what matters ask 10 different top fanciers how they feed and you get 10 different answers.

 

Geoff Kirkland feeds diet early in the week and so does Richard Turner and they have won plenty. You just have to pick a method and its trial and error to see if it suits you

 

THE MIX CALLED THE DIET FEED AINT A DIET FEED AS WE KNOW IT AS,

[walterboswell59]

blimey that is a high protein high fat mix ,wonder how he went about the amount to feed them just thinking if like mine they would eat the peanuts all day

yes and eddies peanuts were coated with chocolate lots of the time neila

[Henrik]

yes and eddies peanuts were coated with chocolate lots of the time neila

Aye and had toffee in as well lol, got them from a sweetie factory and they had bits of the product in the bags

[walterboswell59]

Aye and had toffee in as well lol, got them from a sweetie factory and they had bits of the product in the bags

all true henrik he got them from lees factory eddie told me this over 30 years ago at a quiz night in coalburn when i had asked him about peanuts how much fat was in that stuff eh why do pigeon fanciers make everything so complacated