Fly Aways

[walterboswell59]

Good post Walter, pretty much the same as me, My youngsters always range well and are gone for an hour or two, I don't start training while they are doing this as I can't see any gain. When they are ranging well I give them a light feed early morning and let them out and they are gone, I hate telling newcomers this as the scribes say this is what causes fly-away's but it's never happened to me in 50yrs. plus. I agree with Walter on not giving first toss a few miles up the road, when they are ranging well they cover many miles, 10mls. would be my minimum and it would be morning, the earlier the better giving them all day to get it right

we learn by our mistakes bill it works for me m8

[walterboswell59]

When do they stop ranging?

mines stop rangeing when i start training dal

[dal2]

mines stop rangeing when i start training dal

Ye the def do Walter cos they have learned they way home from the basket and all of a sudden your minutes round the loft drop off also?

 

The birds are ranging because they seek knowledge of their boundaries, that is why inexperienced birds sometimes push the enevelope too far with no prior knowledge as to where they are hence flyaways

[walterboswell59]

Ye the def do Walter cos they have learned they way home from the basket and all of a sudden your minutes round the loft drop off also?

 

The birds are ranging because they seek knowledge of their boundaries, that is why inexperienced birds sometimes push the enevelope too far with no prior knowledge as to where they are hence flyaways

think your right dal after a few tooses i have to use the flag to make them do an hour m8

[billt]

When do they stop ranging?

 

Much the same as Walter, when I interfere, which is pretty late in the season, I have sent them with no training at all other than basket training for drinkers etc.

[Guest chad3646]

Much the same as Walter, when I interfere, which is pretty late in the season, I have sent them with no training at all other than basket training for drinkers etc.

 

 

i and that,s the one,s that pull the birds all over the country

[MIK]

i and that,s the one,s that pull the birds all over the country

 

well trained pigeons shouldnt fly all over ..if anything Bills will be dragged everywhere..and any thing that is well trained and follows Bills are better off away from loft.

 

jmo

Mick

[billt]

i and that,s the one,s that pull the birds all over the country

 

Not if you have the right birds, It's the birds without a good racing brain that cause problems and there are a lot of them out there

[Leroy]

I asked what you thought was the most natural instinct for a homing pigeon? If the loft was on fire then they have no home and will move on? If the loft stays then they will stay unless something else makes them move, if you have ever tried to break a bird from another loft then you will know how hard it can be and often a bird sucessfully broken will still return ocassionally to a loft that has an association.

 

My mate Yeboah has aloft 25 miles north of me on line of flight, he had a red hen which sat on my house roof every race that he sent it to be it late or on time. This is because experienced pigeons still do things from habit so inexperienced pigeons must learn? The homing pigeons that choose where they live are about as much good as a chocolate watch!!

 

"Unless something else makes them move" exactly my point. Say an old boy dies and his birds are sold off. Any birds that have failed to break to a new loft may return to the old loft. This is the homing ability that you are on about. If no one feeds it, it will move on. It's instinct to survive will overtake its homing ability. What's to say that a batch of young birds in an overcrowded loft, where they have to compete for room and food don't just get the instinct to find somewhere better to live?

 

Or is it just that young inexperienced batches get too excited flying and keep going, without the experience or ability to get back? I don't know the answer, I'm just thinking out loud.

 

Are flyaways always young birds? Can it never happen to old birds? Or does it happen to most of us, one old bird at a time, and we put it down to hawks, bad weather etc. When people get old birds back that have been lost for a couple of years, could it be that bird had a flyaway all of its own, because it chose not to come back, until the conditions where it found itself were worse than the loft it left, I.e. the food ran out, severe winter etc?

 

Lee

[walterboswell59]

Much the same as Walter, when I interfere, which is pretty late in the season, I have sent them with no training at all other than basket training for drinkers etc.

got to say thats something id never do bill because i think untrained birds want to orientate to long at the race point which holds others back and gives bop time to get to them imo but i know of others that have done the same m8 i also believe thats the reason for the big gaps in the birds in the first few races but thats just my opionion who knows

[billt]

well trained pigeons shouldnt fly all over ..if anything Bills will be dragged everywhere..and any thing that is well trained and follows Bills are better off away from loft.

 

jmo

Mick

 

Mik, When I last raced I won the club y/b average every year and the Fed averages most years, young birds that range well cover vast miles, this taking them a few miles up the road and kidding yourself you have trained them is a nonsense

[Guest chad3646]

well trained pigeons shouldnt fly all over ..if anything Bills will be dragged everywhere..and any thing that is well trained and follows Bills are better off away from loft.

 

jmo

Mick

 

 

read his statement on page 30

[Guest chad3646]

Much the same as Walter, when I interfere, which is pretty late in the season, I have sent them with no training at all other than basket training for drinkers etc.

 

 

billt have i got this right are you saying you dont start racing till late in the season

[MIK]

read his statement on page 30

 

i did read it and???

[MIK]

Mik, When I last raced I won the club y/b average every year and the Fed averages most years, young birds that range well cover vast miles, this taking them a few miles up the road and kidding yourself you have trained them is a nonsense

 

Bill i can relate to what your saying, but when i said well trained ybs ..means 50 miles atleast off the line off flight.

but ybs range in groups and if not trained to break or home on their own they will will struggle to break from a big convoy, therefore fly around with a big batch for safety.

 

as you said earlier in another post having the right birds makes a difference.

 

atb for 2014

Mick

[dal2]

"Unless something else makes them move" exactly my point. Say an old boy dies and his birds are sold off. Any birds that have failed to break to a new loft may return to the old loft. This is the homing ability that you are on about. If no one feeds it, it will move on. It's instinct to survive will overtake its homing ability. What's to say that a batch of young birds in an overcrowded loft, where they have to compete for room and food don't just get the instinct to find somewhere better to live?

 

Or is it just that young inexperienced batches get too excited flying and keep going, without the experience or ability to get back? I don't know the answer, I'm just thinking out loud.

 

Are flyaways always young birds? Can it never happen to old birds? Or does it happen to most of us, one old bird at a time, and we put it down to hawks, bad weather etc. When people get old birds back that have been lost for a couple of years, could it be that bird had a flyaway all of its own, because it chose not to come back, until the conditions where it found itself were worse than the loft it left, I.e. the food ran out, severe winter etc?

 

Lee

I am more inclined to go with the inexperienced young birds theory

[frank-123]

Always when I have heard of these it is always quite early in a youngbirds life. I reckon they join a team of trainers and do what youngsters do follow the leader and dont stop until they are knackered.