hotrod Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I' used to get them on my birds 30 odd years ago when I hadn't a clue how to feed properly , back then I fed a high protein mix most of the year , I can remember getting the odd one or two and always during the winter months when they weren't out much and still got the high protein feed . So this stuff about viruses doesn't do it with me. ,just a pour feeding regime that's all .ive spoken to andrew and told him how to rectify it . Ps I have never found one on any of my pigeons for over 30 years . Why because they are fed correctly .at all times of the year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I' used to get them on my birds 30 odd years ago when I hadn't a clue how to feed properly , back then I fed a high protein mix most of the year , I can remember getting the odd one or two and always during the winter months when they weren't out much and still got the high protein feed . So this stuff about viruses doesn't do it with me. ,just a pour feeding regime that's all .ive spoken to andrew and told him how to rectify it . Ps I have never found one on any of my pigeons for over 30 years . Why because they are fed correctly .at all times of the year . got barley today stu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 "They are caused by the same virus as pigeon pox, this was explained to me by Dr Gerrit Dhont of Melle several years ago. If you wait until they are almost ripe, you can tie some cotton round them and they will drop off in a few days. The young birds will be no worse for this. I can guarantee. One of my best pigeons ever had at least 6 on his wings and body as a youngster and he won 11 x 1st prizes in the next 3 years. All children have problems." A quote from the Legend Frank Tasker. On a personal note, I've never had a good one. Dr Dhont's and Dr Boskamp believe it has something to do with small pox. If it's down to a so called High Protein diet how can fanciers report it happening with birds on a high barley diet? Few things you could find interestinghttp://forum.pigeonbasics.com/topic/53606-blood-protein-lumps/ http://www.pipa.be/en/community/forum/protein-lumps-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I've never had one on any of my birds in over 50yrs and I would say mine are on high protein all year round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 IB fatty lipomas are yellow when appearing on pigeons and generally they only appear on very old pigeons, and I've never heard of one bursting and bleeding as this one appears to The old name for them is ‘blood blister’ so that should tell you what colour they are and what they look like. I’ve only experienced them twice in 13 years, and both birds were yearlings. After the first experience, I asked Rod Adams about what caused them at one of our moots. I used the term ‘protein lump’, and when he read it he asked who had asked the question, and replied to me direct. He was the one who told me the correct term for them – fatty lipoma. He explained that the birds’ diet was too high in protein and that it needed to be reduced. Knowing the term I then searched the web and found all animals including humans can suffer from them. Sticking to birds, the web consensus was that it was too much fat in the diet. IMO given its name, fatty lipoma, that sounds more likely. It was also said that it was a normal fat store under the bird’s skin ‘liquidising’ [reason unknown] then pushing outwards through the skin which eventually ruptures as pressure builds splattering very red goo through the break in the skin. Both of mine were messy when they burst. They have no blood vessels or ‘root’ so they don’t need tied off, left alone they will come good by themselves. But be ready for the mess when it bursts. As all the birds are on the same diet, but only one is affected it is thought that this is down to an individual pigeon’s body not being able to deal with excess fat. Similarly, if it was a viral infection it would not only affect the whole pigeon, but spread through the loft and infect all the birds. Basically the cause it not known, but all are agreed that it is harmless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I don't believe we have enough information regarding what it is as its certainly nothing that I have ever seen apart from the scene from the film "Aliens" where their was an internal eruption. In my opinion its been an injury either by a cat or raptor as the area surrounding the injury looks torn and if it had been a growth it would have been noticeable prior to bursting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I don't believe we have enough information regarding what it is as its certainly nothing that I have ever seen apart from the scene from the film "Aliens" where their was an internal eruption. In my opinion its been an injury either by a cat or raptor as the area surrounding the injury looks torn and if it had been a growth it would have been noticeable prior to bursting.this pigeon has never been out for 3/4 weeks, only appreared a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulkie Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 It's is a type of parathyroid I look it up in dr Colin walkers bookIs he related Cal.?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 anyway, this pigeon flew about 4 dunbars, st boswells, otterburn, wetherby. still here . so id say it has no affec once healed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 looks like Evans been eating the bugger for breakfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 looks like Evans been eating the bugger for breakfast imagine doos like that beating ye everyweek how must ye feel? lol. get ma van fastie away this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 imagine doos like that beating ye everyweek how must ye feel? lol. get ma van fastie away this weekis it the breeder buyer this week ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 is it the breeder buyer this week ??next week mate, get it away tho, show the dunbar seaside lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 next week mate, get it away tho, show the dunbar seaside loldont no if ill have transport on friday m8 my peugot blew engine and hazels going to ireland with the meriva on thursday for 10 days so could be stuck m8. hant tossed em since the 20 on transporter to harthill 3 weeks back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 dont no if ill have transport on friday m8 my peugot blew engine and hazels going to ireland with the meriva on thursday for 10 days so could be stuck m8. hant tossed em since the 20 on transporter to harthill 3 weeks backhave you not heard of a wheelbarrow lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 have you not heard of a wheelbarrow lolaye right lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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