Baytril

[shugf2003]

Peter it is to me yet by your statement i could'nt race afterwards

i don't disagree with you about the willy nilly use of anti's but the use of such treatments is advocated

by vets

 

If Your birds are that sick to be treated by any antibiotics why would you even consider putting them in a basket answers on a post card LOL

[dwh]

If Your birds are that sick to be treated by any antibiotics why would you even consider putting them in a basket answers on a post card LOL

x lines shug i said after your birds were treated

[shugf2003]

x lines shug i said after your birds were treated

 

What about the treatment after ie thrush ect the time scales to get over each plus training ect season over dont u think lol

[peter pandy]

I believe I am correct in stating that their are no antibiotics listed under the small animal exemption laws and they are all prescription drugs. Should antibiotics be required from a veterinary practice I would expect you would be told the course length and in all probability quarantine period NOT dose to-day and race to-morrow as some of our pharmacists in the fancy would no doubt do. Please refrain from telling me it does not go on.

[Guest chad3646]

I heard your nick name is the baytril kid wonder why pmsl

 

 

there you go pishing yourself again, you can get treated for that lol

[dwh]

I believe I am correct in stating that their are no antibiotics listed under the small animal exemption laws and they are all prescription drugs. Should antibiotics be required from a veterinary practice I would expect you would be told the course length and in all probability quarantine period NOT dose to-day and race to-morrow as some of our pharmacists in the fancy would no doubt do. Please refrain from telling me it does not go on.

would;nt dream of it

as for quarantine if you followed the course then the said bird should be free of the ailment

in my opinion its the treated bird that will suffer in sending the bird back to early

i coached kids upto national level in swimming and have had many an arguement with parents sending their child back into training or to a competion without enough recoup time

as for small animal anti's available without a script you can buy cocci and canker treatments over the counter which i believe are anti bacs

[Guest chad3646]

In my humble opinion anyone administrating Baytril or any other antibiotic in the racing season to their birds should be banned from racing. It is my opinion that these antibiotics is one of the main causes of all our troubles from old and young bird losses, young bird sickness and passing on other ailments in the basket. Those so called fanciers have created within their birds no immune system and they are infecting the race teams of those who do not administer drugs haphazardly.

 

 

peter if that was the case they would not be many racing

[peter pandy]

peter if that was the case they would not be many racing

No chad and that's the blinkin problem.

[Guest stb-]

I believe I am correct in stating that their are no antibiotics listed under the small animal exemption laws and they are all prescription drugs. Should antibiotics be required from a veterinary practice I would expect you would be told the course length and in all probability quarantine period NOT dose to-day and race to-morrow as some of our pharmacists in the fancy would no doubt do. Please refrain from telling me it does not go on.

yip there is meds available on the small animal act peter

 

in the homming world every week

 

10% ronidasol and amprollium

[BLACK W F]

there you go pishing yourself again, you can get treated for that lol

heard your full of wind and P*** baytril kid

[Guest chad3646]

heard your full of wind and P*** baytril kid

 

 

of topic *expletive removed*...e

[Big Davie]

yip there is meds available on the small animal act peter

 

in the homming world every week

 

10% ronidasol and amprollium

Rab, ronidazole or aprollium are not antibiotics

[BLACK W F]

there you go pishing yourself again, you can get treated for that lol

hows the brain transplant going pity it did not work coco the clown pmsl

[Guest IB]

Rab, ronidazole or aprollium are not antibiotics

 

I think that's part of the problem. These ARE antibiotics, and IMO most fanciers don't realise that. When they say they don't use them, well they do, but they don't know it. That's why there are so many superbugs, canker and cocci bugs have been exposed so much to these drugs, they're largely immune to them. And the reason for frequent exposure is frequent use ....

[gulkie]

Sorry I don't agree that cocci and canker are anti or they would make them pescription

Drugs and they could charge more?

[greenlands]

http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/pdf/vmgn/VMGNote12.pdf

 

 

http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/mswd/saes.aspx

[dwh]

Rab, ronidazole or aprollium are not antibiotics

yes they are

http://phenomi.net/bengalchatter/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5572

 

MT12-011 Utilization of an in vitro luciferase assay to determine efficacy of novel 5-nitroimidazole derivatives and proton pump inhibitors against ronidazole-resistant and susceptible feline Tritrichomonas foetus isolates

Principal Investigator: Stanley L. Marks, BVSc, PhD, Dip ADVIM, Dip ACVN, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis

Tritrichomonas foetus is an important and common parasitic infection that primarily affects purebred cats living in catteries and shelters worldwide. The objectives of this study are to develop a more rapid, sensitive screening method for assessing the efficacy of novel drugs that have been shown to kill a variety of protozoa in other studies, but have not been tested against T. foetus from cats to date. The parasite can cause severe inflammation of the colon and subsequent diarrhea, resluting in discomfort for the infected cat and frustration for the owner. Eradication of the infection is equally challenging for veterinarians and breeders alike, as 57% of cats diagnosed with T. foetus-associated diarrhea persist in shedding the organism for up to 5 years following treatment. A variety of drugs have been utilized to eradicate T. foetus infection with limited success. More recent therapeutic approaches have involved the use of ronidazole, an antibiotic with similar properties to metronidazole; however, clinical resistance to metronidazole, low efficacy of tinidazole (a drug that is related to metronidazole), and documentation of resistance to ronidazole in some cats are consistent with a high level of cross resistance of feline T. foetus to conventional antibiotics.

[peter pandy]

yes they are

http://phenomi.net/bengalchatter/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5572

 

MT12-011 Utilization of an in vitro luciferase assay to determine efficacy of novel 5-nitroimidazole derivatives and proton pump inhibitors against ronidazole-resistant and susceptible feline Tritrichomonas foetus isolates

Principal Investigator: Stanley L. Marks, BVSc, PhD, Dip ADVIM, Dip ACVN, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis

Tritrichomonas foetus is an important and common parasitic infection that primarily affects purebred cats living in catteries and shelters worldwide. The objectives of this study are to develop a more rapid, sensitive screening method for assessing the efficacy of novel drugs that have been shown to kill a variety of protozoa in other studies, but have not been tested against T. foetus from cats to date. The parasite can cause severe inflammation of the colon and subsequent diarrhea, resluting in discomfort for the infected cat and frustration for the owner. Eradication of the infection is equally challenging for veterinarians and breeders alike, as 57% of cats diagnosed with T. foetus-associated diarrhea persist in shedding the organism for up to 5 years following treatment. A variety of drugs have been utilized to eradicate T. foetus infection with limited success. More recent therapeutic approaches have involved the use of ronidazole, an antibiotic with similar properties to metronidazole; however, clinical resistance to metronidazole, low efficacy of tinidazole (a drug that is related to metronidazole), and documentation of resistance to ronidazole in some cats are consistent with a high level of cross resistance of feline T. foetus to conventional antibiotics.

 

Yes its for cats likewise Tylan is for pigs but as stated in earlier post the pharmaceutical fanciers will shove anything down the birds throat regardless of the consequences.

[dwh]

Yes its for cats likewise Tylan is for pigs but as stated in earlier post the pharmaceutical fanciers will shove anything down the birds throat regardless of the consequences.

pp this is an anti biotic and was developed to be used to treat canker etc not just in cats and is licensed for use in animals not just cats as is tylan licensed for use in a wide range of species

you seem to think i disagree with your opinion partly yes but EVERY fancier has including yourself treated and raced after using a type of medication.

[canker ] assuming they are not antis

the random use of anti's does cause resistance to meds that is why vets now recommend more than 1 canker treatment but that is not the sole cause of the spread of illness in our birds if certain fanciers were more attentive placing sick birds in the pannier and a vets services weren't so expensive then men wouldn't need all these meds

then again some wouuld just to try gsing an edge

[Guest chad3646]

Rab, ronidazole or aprollium are not antibiotics

 

 

 

 

 

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