Liberations

[b.massey]

I knew it was supposed to be a fed race and I filled in a sheet but was told at club level I don't need sheet as not fed race now! So my birds went in just ruberred up and no clocks set!! It was on bottom of the old bird fed sheet and I said that! But I heard loads of clubs not sending so assumed a decision was made just to make a trainer on that basis! Bit of a joke and major *expletive removed* up from my club tbh and I am just glad I never exactly got a cracker but going on velocity who did???

[tyson]

any more back this morning

[bigjamie]

them ybs have been scattered by percy for a short race like that the velocities are very low

[tyson]

the sport is about .*expletive removed* because of these bloody flying predetors what ever happened yesterday must have happened after jedburgh as the birds were seen going through there on time there must have been a good few hitting them to cause the devastating race that we had also a very small convoy probably around 400 birds

[IanO]

the sport is about .*expletive removed* because of these bloody flying predetors what ever happened yesterday must have happened after jedburgh as the birds were seen going through there on time there must have been a good few hitting them to cause the devastating race that we had also a very small convoy probably around 400 birds

 

 

Just got a Midlothian doo in, posted it on the found birds. I can take the bird to Dalkeith in the morning as I have an early flight out of Edinburgh. I already have another going up from Dunfermline

[Guest stb-]

the sport is about .*expletive removed* because of these bloody flying predetors what ever happened yesterday must have happened after jedburgh as the birds were seen going through there on time there must have been a good few hitting them to cause the devastating race that we had also a very small convoy probably around 400 birds

behave yourself one percie in front of a convoy can turn 1000,s and they will just not go up the valley the percys in , yeboah will tell you what they do to the feds comming up his way often

[The jannie]

Have a read of the Flights of Memory book page 254 -260.Tells a scary true event.

[pigeon359]

yes it was passed at last delegates to include it in fed programme instead of a trainer but peole either dont read or listen to the information that is given out but hopefully all these things will be resolved at agm

What a lot of BALONEY to cover up a major .*expletive removed* up! I am a member of Edinburgh Premiere and the President and Vice president of Midlothian Federation didn't even know that this was a fed race and both them are in my club!!!! The president is our SECRETARY expletive remove! No one in our club got a fed sheet from the last race so are we meant to guess what's happening?

 

I went along to the club on Friday to see the lads and to see who had been training enough to go to otterburn already. There was not one member at the club and NO birds were sent from here! I phoned the sec ( ML PRESIDENT )to find out what the score was and was told that only one member was going to send trainers but as it would cost £40 to get the birds picked up the toss was cancelled! Not once has there been any mention of this being a race and I was unaware until seeing it on HERE!!

 

I am glad now that my birds were not ready to go that distance as by all accounts the race was nothing short of a DISASTER. There will now be a trophy in our club that wont be won this year by anyone, and I am talking about the AVERAGES as all races have to be competed in to win this. If more club members knew this then I am sure there would have been more birds or members who sent but like I say are we meant to GUESS these things? There was not even a meeting between the old and young bird racing in our club which is the norm so no information from that side of things either!

 

You Peter, are trying to shift the blame for this major .*expletive removed* up by saying people don't read or listen! How are fed members meant to know what is happening if the President and Vice President of Midlothian Fed don't even know? Your Fed officials know nothing but you seem to have answers for everything to cover up the many .*expletive removed* ups in this FED. You are the only fed delegate that has any knowledge of this Peter so don't go trying to blame it on members for not reading things or listening. You seem to know all the answers yourself so why don't you try sharing it with the Midlothian Fed officials so we can all find out whats happening instead of leaving members to GUESS. This kind of management at fed level is nothing short of disgraceful and you should be looking at things from this level instead of blaming club members for NOT reading or listening as it is all down to you lads!!

[andy Burgess]

Have a read of the Flights of Memory book page 254 -260.Tells a scary true event.

have just re-read it , and have heard similar horrific stories too

[quando]

What a lot of BALONEY to cover up a major .*expletive removed* up! I am a member of Edinburgh Premiere and the President and Vice president of Midlothian Federation didn't even know that this was a fed race and both them are in my club!!!! The president is our SECRETARY expletive remove! No one in our club got a fed sheet from the last race so are we meant to guess what's happening?

 

I went along to the club on Friday to see the lads and to see who had been training enough to go to otterburn already. There was not one member at the club and NO birds were sent from here! I phoned the sec ( ML PRESIDENT )to find out what the score was and was told that only one member was going to send trainers but as it would cost £40 to get the birds picked up the toss was cancelled! Not once has there been any mention of this being a race and I was unaware until seeing it on HERE!!

 

I am glad now that my birds were not ready to go that distance as by all accounts the race was nothing short of a DISASTER. There will now be a trophy in our club that wont be won this year by anyone, and I am talking about the AVERAGES as all races have to be competed in to win this. If more club members knew this then I am sure there would have been more birds or members who sent but like I say are we meant to GUESS these things? There was not even a meeting between the old and young bird racing in our club which is the norm so no information from that side of things either!

 

You Peter, are trying to shift the blame for this major .*expletive removed* up by saying people don't read or listen! How are fed members meant to know what is happening if the President and Vice President of Midlothian Fed don't even know? Your Fed officials know nothing but you seem to have answers for everything to cover up the many .*expletive removed* ups in this FED. You are the only fed delegate that has any knowledge of this Peter so don't go trying to blame it on members for not reading things or listening. You seem to know all the answers yourself so why don't you try sharing it with the Midlothian Fed officials so we can all find out whats happening instead of leaving members to GUESS. This kind of management at fed level is nothing short of disgraceful and you should be looking at things from this level instead of blaming club members for NOT reading or listening as it is all down to you lads!!

 

 

 

If you look at the Maidstone fed result it states the trainer on 20th July is now a fed race but it can be omitted from the club averages, so club yb average and combined average will not be affected. Hope this helps you.

[pigeon359]

Fair comment re the averages but many of our club members are older and don't access computers to get the result online so the lack of knowledge or understanding of what is happening is still the same. There may be perhaps 3 members in our club who check pb and if you don't see any of them for the weeks between racing then how are non pc users meant to find out things? Perhaps the fault of our sec for not handing out fed sheet results but like I say our SEC is the president of ML fed and he was UNAWARE that this was a race and not a trainer.

I wouldn't have raced yesterday anyway even if I knew it was a race as my own birds are not ready yet having not long got over a virus in the yb loft. My point in general concerns all who don't have access to a pc and even some like myself that didn't bother to look at it online because I didn't race from Maidstone and already heard the result before I had a chance to check it online. That would be like saying its printed on the internet so everyone should be aware of it when in reality only a very small percentage of club members know how to use a computer or even have one.

Bottom line is still the same.........if fed officials aren't aware of something then how can the buck be placed on individual club members? It is all down to lack of communication at the fed level and not just information shared for those of us that do have access to a pc or know how to use one. Yes, we should have had fed results handed out regardless of whether we participated in the last race as we are all paid up members the same as those who did race.

Yes, we should have had a club meeting between old and young bird racing too but even if we did then the end result would have been the same. The Fed officials in our club were UNAWARE what was happening so how could they tell us that it had been changed? Put the blame where it belongs, at FED level, and not come out with stupid excuses of everyday members not reading or listening to what is said. Peter would have us believe that it is all down to individuals fault for not knowing things when it is CLEARLY not the case! The BLAME for this as far as I am concerned is at FED level and this is where the buck should lie instead of blaming individual members for lack of knowledge. Would there have been only about 400 birds racing if everyone was aware? I don't think so but it speaks volumes of how many were aware that this was a race! The buck should be put where it belongs and not onto us members when there are so many that don't even use a pc.

[b.massey]

I ended up with 10/17 ..... Team 2 have still never been in basket but doing good home work and I was due to put them into training today, but last night I let the 23 out and they went away, as time passed I got 4 after 1 hour return and a strag that looked to have a broken/injured leg... Another 45 mins passed and couple dribs and drabs! Ended up 8 missing! That's 15 ybs lost in a weekend!! Sorry but can't and won't do it anymore! Ets rings @ £1.40 each, feed @ £18 per bag, petrol to train them..... All for what?? To feed a Percy or two!! No chance... Will speak to my old man to see if he is coming out retirement to take over but if not there all away! Yb to stock birds!! I am now finished, I wanted to finish last year after getting hit bad but went on and I even managed to win old bird averages in club and only fancier going for the combined average but it's all became too much and I am 100% finished with pigeons both shows and racing

[tyson]

pigeon 359 the last delegates meeting who was present the president the senior vice president who are both members of your club so they knew what was happening but as I said if the information does not get passed on what are we supposed to do as regards the maidstone result your club was sent the result by email then your secretary can print them off so dont start the crap the fed secretary is not doing her job you need to speak to your own club officials as regards my part as race controller when birds were liberated there was nothing wrong with weather or any clashing involved and just another thing for you chew on your club sec / fed president phoned fed secretary informing her that edin prem were not sending as there was only 2 members sending as the rest were not ready if your going to make comments like this then please get your fact right first or just shut up

[andy Burgess]

I ended up with 10/17 ..... Team 2 have still never been in basket but doing good home work and I was due to put them into training today, but last night I let the 23 out and they went away, as time passed I got 4 after 1 hour return and a strag that looked to have a broken/injured leg... Another 45 mins passed and couple dribs and drabs! Ended up 8 missing! That's 15 ybs lost in a weekend!! Sorry but can't and won't do it anymore! Ets rings @ £1.40 each, feed @ £18 per bag, petrol to train them..... All for what?? To feed a Percy or two!! No chance... Will speak to my old man to see if he is coming out retirement to take over but if not there all away! Yb to stock birds!! I am now finished, I wanted to finish last year after getting hit bad but went on and I even managed to win old bird averages in club and only fancier going for the combined average but it's all became too much and I am 100% finished with pigeons both shows and racing

if you do , there will be many to follow .the recent threads about attacks and losses all spell doom for the very near future

[Guest minityson]

What a lot of BALONEY to cover up a major .*expletive removed* up! I am a member of Edinburgh Premiere and the President and Vice president of Midlothian Federation didn't even know that this was a fed race and both them are in my club!!!! The president is our SECRETARY expletive remove! No one in our club got a fed sheet from the last race so are we meant to guess what's happening?

 

I went along to the club on Friday to see the lads and to see who had been training enough to go to otterburn already. There was not one member at the club and NO birds were sent from here! I phoned the sec ( ML PRESIDENT )to find out what the score was and was told that only one member was going to send trainers but as it would cost £40 to get the birds picked up the toss was cancelled! Not once has there been any mention of this being a race and I was unaware until seeing it on HERE!!

 

I am glad now that my birds were not ready to go that distance as by all accounts the race was nothing short of a DISASTER. There will now be a trophy in our club that wont be won this year by anyone, and I am talking about the AVERAGES as all races have to be competed in to win this. If more club members knew this then I am sure there would have been more birds or members who sent but like I say are we meant to GUESS these things? There was not even a meeting between the old and young bird racing in our club which is the norm so no information from that side of things either!

 

You Peter, are trying to shift the blame for this major .*expletive removed* up by saying people don't read or listen! How are fed members meant to know what is happening if the President and Vice President of Midlothian Fed don't even know? Your Fed officials know nothing but you seem to have answers for everything to cover up the many .*expletive removed* ups in this FED. You are the only fed delegate that has any knowledge of this Peter so don't go trying to blame it on members for not reading things or listening. You seem to know all the answers yourself so why don't you try sharing it with the Midlothian Fed officials so we can all find out whats happening instead of leaving members to GUESS. This kind of management at fed level is nothing short of disgraceful and you should be looking at things from this level instead of blaming club members for NOT reading or listening as it is all down to you lads!!

 

 

I suggest if you have an issue with me or the federation you put your complaint in writing, it is the job of your club delegate to pass information back not mine, and for your club secretaries to pass the information. There were no results printed other than one for Bonnyrigg and one for Arniston as this was all I was able to get printed due to AS STATED at the delegates meeting there was an issue with the printer and we were having to source a new one, which I have not long received, if gorebridge club managed to print off copies for there members then why can't other clubs and why had nobody spoken to me about it!!!! As I have stated if you have issues then put it in writing instead of trying to knock people down on a forum!!!!

[pigeon359]

pigeon 359 the last delegates meeting who was present the president the senior vice president who are both members of your club so they knew what was happening but as I said if the information does not get passed on what are we supposed to do as regards the maidstone result your club was sent the result by email then your secretary can print them off so dont start the crap the fed secretary is not doing her job you need to speak to your own club officials as regards my part as race controller when birds were liberated there was nothing wrong with weather or any clashing involved and just another thing for you chew on your club sec / fed president phoned fed secretary informing her that edin prem were not sending as there was only 2 members sending as the rest were not ready if your going to make comments like this then please get your fact right first or just shut up

First of all Peter I wont shut up for you or anyone else and if you don’t like what I have to say then tough on you as you deserve any criticism that is coming to you.

Secondly, before you go talking more BALONEY read what I have written like you have insinuated the members don’t do and then dragging your MRS into it because you don’t know how to reply yourself or give any appologies where necessary! Read my post as it is written mate and not what you think is between the lines. I say it how it is mate and if you cant understand the Queens English then don’t bother replying back with more BALONEY!

 

You have stated that both presidents were at the meeting so they knew what was happening? They clearly didn’t know what was happening or our members would have known too. Was it them you meant that should read things or listen to whats being said….. or the club members? You are the only one who knew what was happening so why didn’t you see that your officials knew instead of thinking that they knew? They obviously didn’t and that’s why there was a major .*expletive removed* up!

You state that if the information is not passed on then what are you meant to do? Your fed officials are the ones who are meant to pass the information on so what kind of a stupid comment is that to make? You are trying to put the blame somewhere else as usual while at the same time admitting that the fed, not the members, failed in their job! Who’s fault is it then, the officials or the members?

 

Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention the sec wasn’t doing her job so why are YOU coming out with that crap? Clearly because you haven’t got a clue how to reply or to have the decency to put your hands up and say yes it was a .*expletive removed* up at fed level! I already stated in my earlier post that our club could have done things better as regards to handing out the Maidstone fed result sheets etc and nowhere did I even mention your wife hadn’t sent copies to the club. You then say speak to my club officials insinuating that it is down to them. The club officials ARE the FED officials expletive remove so is that you actually putting it on their toes as club officials without having to admit that it wasn’t a balls up at fed level? Make your mind up mate what you mean instead of going on the defensive and accepting blame where it should be! You are admitting and denying things in the same reply and not making one bit of sense. Did you used to be a salesman or something similar as all you are doing is blowing hot air and making no sense whatsoever.

 

Did you read anywhere in my post that the race was a disaster because of a decision made by YOU as the race controller? Read my post again mate as I am not talking in URDU! I said the race was a disaster and yes it was a disaster as admitted by yourself. That was a comment made not an insinuation of who was to blame for the race being a disaster. It may well have been down to percy and in all probability was. Never once did I mention that the late returns or losses were down to the race controller. I am on about the organisation of the race where no one had a clue what was going on. If you cant see what this fiasco was all about then I am wasting my time even talking to you as you clearly wont admit to anything!

Yes, my club sec/ fed president made a call to the fed sec stating that only 2 of our members were willing to send or ready to train from that distance. Was he told then that this was a race not a toss so that he could then inform club members? No is the answer to that and the 2 who were willing to send thought they would be sending to a training toss NOT a race and accepted it as just a cancellation of a toss. Would the club sec have had the authority to cancel and stop members sending to an actual RACE albeit there was only 2 of them? They would have been perfectly entitled to send them to a race regardless of how many members in the club sent and it is a disgrace that they were not allowed to do this when they have paid their fees for a FULL racing season! I will tell you what mate if it had been me that was one of the 2 then I would have taken it all the way to SHU level and this whole escapade would have been out in the open instead of you trying to brush it all under the carpet like you always do in the hope that it will just pass over.

 

A race of over 400 birds at fed level is nothing short of ridiculous! There would be more birds sent to a 700 mile race never mind a stone throws away! From the 400 birds sent how many were actually in the race and not sent wearing just a rubber and and no clocks set? Perhaps another 100 or more? That on top of the birds actually lost doesn’t leave many that were clocked as part of a race does it and that is at FED level NOT club level. It is nothing short of ridiculous and you as a race controller should see that and put your hands up to say sorry to the lads for ruining the start of a season. You cant do that though Peter can you? Cant swallow your pride and admit that this whole thing has been a fiasco from start to finish.

 

You have the audacity to tell me to get my FACTS right when everything I have already stated is FACT. Get real mate and take the criticism where it is deserved and not put the buck on to decent members who are not mind readers! Why don’t you state what is FACT yourself instead of beating about the bush with a lot of BALONEY mate! Call a spade a spade instead of trying to shift the blame away from what is clearly a major .*expletive removed* up at FED level. I wasn’t born yesterday mate so don’t presume you are talking to an idiot by telling me to shut up and then replying in only a manner that an idiot would by making no sense or contradicting yourself!

[b.massey]

I don't even think 400 were fed birds, only 2 clubs maybe have been competing as rosewell sent as trainers as that's what I was told at club level. So easthouses had 95 going on there result with 7 making the over 400 yards race rule so only Anniston left! Going on returns I heard I can't see a fed result being full with 20 positions! The race/trainer maybe cost the fed money tbh! But I have no idea and only people in the know can tell us

[Guest minityson]

First of all Peter I wont shut up for you or anyone else and if you don’t like what I have to say then tough on you as you deserve any criticism that is coming to you.

Secondly, before you go talking more BALONEY read what I have written like you have insinuated the members don’t do and then dragging your MRS into it because you don’t know how to reply yourself or give any appologies where necessary! Read my post as it is written mate and not what you think is between the lines. I say it how it is mate and if you cant understand the Queens English then don’t bother replying back with more BALONEY!

 

You have stated that both presidents were at the meeting so they knew what was happening? They clearly didn’t know what was happening or our members would have known too. Was it them you meant that should read things or listen to whats being said….. or the club members? You are the only one who knew what was happening so why didn’t you see that your officials knew instead of thinking that they knew? They obviously didn’t and that’s why there was a major .*expletive removed* up!

You state that if the information is not passed on then what are you meant to do? Your fed officials are the ones who are meant to pass the information on so what kind of a stupid comment is that to make? You are trying to put the blame somewhere else as usual while at the same time admitting that the fed, not the members, failed in their job! Who’s fault is it then, the officials or the members?

 

Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention the sec wasn’t doing her job so why are YOU coming out with that crap? Clearly because you haven’t got a clue how to reply or to have the decency to put your hands up and say yes it was a .*expletive removed* up at fed level! I already stated in my earlier post that our club could have done things better as regards to handing out the Maidstone fed result sheets etc and nowhere did I even mention your wife hadn’t sent copies to the club. You then say speak to my club officials insinuating that it is down to them. The club officials ARE the FED officials expletive remove so is that you actually putting it on their toes as club officials without having to admit that it wasn’t a balls up at fed level? Make your mind up mate what you mean instead of going on the defensive and accepting blame where it should be! You are admitting and denying things in the same reply and not making one bit of sense. Did you used to be a salesman or something similar as all you are doing is blowing hot air and making no sense whatsoever.

 

Did you read anywhere in my post that the race was a disaster because of a decision made by YOU as the race controller? Read my post again mate as I am not talking in URDU! I said the race was a disaster and yes it was a disaster as admitted by yourself. That was a comment made not an insinuation of who was to blame for the race being a disaster. It may well have been down to percy and in all probability was. Never once did I mention that the late returns or losses were down to the race controller. I am on about the organisation of the race where no one had a clue what was going on. If you cant see what this fiasco was all about then I am wasting my time even talking to you as you clearly wont admit to anything!

Yes, my club sec/ fed president made a call to the fed sec stating that only 2 of our members were willing to send or ready to train from that distance. Was he told then that this was a race not a toss so that he could then inform club members? No is the answer to that and the 2 who were willing to send thought they would be sending to a training toss NOT a race and accepted it as just a cancellation of a toss. Would the club sec have had the authority to cancel and stop members sending to an actual RACE albeit there was only 2 of them? They would have been perfectly entitled to send them to a race regardless of how many members in the club sent and it is a disgrace that they were not allowed to do this when they have paid their fees for a FULL racing season! I will tell you what mate if it had been me that was one of the 2 then I would have taken it all the way to SHU level and this whole escapade would have been out in the open instead of you trying to brush it all under the carpet like you always do in the hope that it will just pass over.

 

A race of over 400 birds at fed level is nothing short of ridiculous! There would be more birds sent to a 700 mile race never mind a stone throws away! From the 400 birds sent how many were actually in the race and not sent wearing just a rubber and and no clocks set? Perhaps another 100 or more? That on top of the birds actually lost doesn’t leave many that were clocked as part of a race does it and that is at FED level NOT club level. It is nothing short of ridiculous and you as a race controller should see that and put your hands up to say sorry to the lads for ruining the start of a season. You cant do that though Peter can you? Cant swallow your pride and admit that this whole thing has been a fiasco from start to finish.

 

You have the audacity to tell me to get my FACTS right when everything I have already stated is FACT. Get real mate and take the criticism where it is deserved and not put the buck on to decent members who are not mind readers! Why don’t you state what is FACT yourself instead of beating about the bush with a lot of BALONEY mate! Call a spade a spade instead of trying to shift the blame away from what is clearly a major .*expletive removed* up at FED level. I wasn’t born yesterday mate so don’t presume you are talking to an idiot by telling me to shut up and then replying in only a manner that an idiot would by making no sense or contradicting yourself!

 

First of all I am NOT Peters wife I am his daughter and I am the federation secretary and secondly if you wish to see a copy of the minutes from the last delegates meeting where it was decided that this would be a federation race instead of a trainer I can gladly do so, so the .*expletive removed* up as you put it was not down to the federation as a whole but due to the wrong communication being received from your club... Which I am not happy about as you said both people in your club are also officials and I will be taking this up with them. The blame does not lie with Peter regarding this he just listened to what was said at the delegates meeting. It was arranged for it to be a fed race so that all pigeons can be picked up from the clubs rather than bring them up to East houses which was originally planned. As I stated earlier please feel free to contact myself to discuss this further rather than on a public forum.

[pigeon359]

I don't even think 400 were fed birds, only 2 clubs maybe have been competing as rosewell sent as trainers as that's what I was told at club level. So easthouses had 95 going on there result with 7 making the over 400 yards race rule so only Anniston left! Going on returns I heard I can't see a fed result being full with 20 positions! The race/trainer maybe cost the fed money tbh! But I have no idea and only people in the know can tell us

Unreal Brian eh. This race should go down in the history books of the ML as the biggest fiasco of all time and it was all going to be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about because it was all the members faults for not reading or listening properly lol.

 

Im looking forward to seeing the result in print which should hopefully be tonight???? Thought it would have been up by now as by all accounts it should only have took a few minutes to work out the positions and count and subtract the total of trainers from the birds that were actually in a race. Should be interesting reading.

[tyson]

why dont you identify yourself so we all know who you are

[tyson]

take it your no man enough to identify yourself

[calder boy]

take it your no man enough to identify yourself

I know who it is but I aint telling you :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[alec guinness]

Don't think this is for an open forum IMO.

[calder boy]

to true they need there heads banged together :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[pigeon359]

take it your no man enough to identify yourself

First of all mate, I don’t sit at my pc day and night so whatever I have to say will be said when I am good and ready……… and here I am! I am not man enough and you are haha? Don’t make me laugh you stupid fool.I know who you are and have seen you many times…..and you are a MAN????? I don’t think so mate!!!

You want to know who I am then why don’t you do your homework? Why don’t you practice what you preach instead of talking a lot of BALONEY as usual. You tell the members all this .*expletive removed* up is their fault because they don’t read or listen. Do you? I told you already that I was at the club and that I had phoned Roger to see why there were no members there? Why didn’t you call him and ask who I was as I would have been the only one to make that call since I was the only one at the club! If you are so interested in who I am then why didn’t you pm me and I would have gladly told you?

You done a fine job of reading between my lines in my posts and coming out with crap that wasn’t even mentioned. You even brought your daughter into it when she wasn’t even mentioned, just to take the heat off you because you didn’t have a clue how to respond to the truth. You by-passed all the facts I stated and came out with your usual nonsense to cover up for your balls up mate.

Here is a little piece of advice for you my friend, don’t push your luck on open forum by disrespecting me or I will come down on you like a ton of bricks. I haven’t even started with you yet mate so continue to push my buttons and you will soon see who is a man and who is not! Do I make myself clear and do we now understand one another?

You have already brought this whole episode on yourself by letting your mouth run off so don’t push things further by your stupidity! All you had to do was say “ Listen lads, there seems to be have been crossed wires for this first race. I appologise for this and I will make sure it doesn’t happen againâ€. That’s it, nothing else, I would have been happy at that as at least you had the decency to appologise. You couldn’t do that could you and kept trying to lay the blame on others.

You have no idea who I am yet you let your mouth run off again by disrespecting who I am. You really want to know do you? Well why don’t you look no further than the first old bird race and you will see my name staring you straight in the face…….right at the very TOP of the sheet!!!!

Had a look yet mate? So now you know! You continue to push my buttons and I will take you all the way, be it at SHU level or on a personal level. Now stick that in your pipe MR MAN and smoke it!!!!