Bird Being Sick In Race Basket

[William Reid]

I have to disagree with you Walter. You have to look at all probabilities, traveling, excitement, gorging prior to basketing, feeding young are other reasons why a pigeon could chuck up. Pigeons have thrown up in the basket since year dot and well prior to Adino. I know of a couple of fanciers that I swear you couldn't get another pea in their pigeons crops on basketing, they most have purposely missed out a couple of feeds then fed them all they wanted on a Friday, these pigeons rattled in come the race. I dont disagree with you that old birds can indeed go down with Adino but in most cases their crop goes spongy but they dont throw up

Never seen a healthy pigeon gorging at feeding .and healthy well conditioned birds usually eat less by Friday jmo.

[walterboswell59]

I've seen birds do this for nearly 30 odd years in race panniers long before adenovirus , I had a gay pied hen years ago every time she traveled she was sick and I mean every time , she scored from sartilly 514 miles , nothing to worry about in old birds , different in youngsters in the height of the virus season .

ive never had that in mine hotrod so i will take your word for it but i know for fact that old birds with adenovirus also throw up feeding the problem is how do you tell the difference m8 if your birds are stuck in beside them and no matter the reason they can be carrying canker cocci or anything and birds are eating it not all us treat

[hotrod]

ive never had that in mine hotrod so i will take your word for it but i know for fact that old birds with adenovirus also throw up feeding the problem is how do you tell the difference m8 if your birds are stuck in beside them and no matter the reason they can be carrying canker cocci or anything and birds are eating it not all us treat

 

Walter its a fine line mate , u say yer birds sick take it out the pannier/crate , they say. Are u a vet ? Yes if the bird looks a bit iffy then yes 100% get it out , but if its just being sick , travel sickness, and looks perky then I would say let it go , fk if my hen years ago was to taken out every time it was sick it would never of had a race ,it was mentioned back then that there might be some thing wrong with her , but after a few weeks of the same thing and it was in the clock a few times it was just a case of there's your bird being sick again, so the food was removed , then she won sartilly in club and 8th in the fed in a hard race think it was 1993. I'm sure .

[Big Davie]

ive never had that in mine hotrod so i will take your word for it but i know for fact that old birds with adenovirus also throw up feeding the problem is how do you tell the difference m8 if your birds are stuck in beside them and no matter the reason they can be carrying canker cocci or anything and birds are eating it not all us treat

Wattie, having read your previous article on this subject I found it very interesting and certainly food for thought, I also find your comments on this thread interesting but have to agree with hotrod on his point of old birds being sick in the basket as I have also seen this many times at race marking in my 45 plus years of keeping pigeons and seen it long before we had ever heard of paramyxovirus or adenovirus.

 

Whilst I understand your concerns I think their is a big difference between a healthy bird throwing up food in the basket and bird that is actually ill doing the same, it comes down to observation on the decent fanciers part who should keep any dubious birds at home but as we all know not everyone will do this and their are also many who would not know the difference.

[Guest geordiejen]

any decent fancier should know when his birds not well,anyone who doesnt know or doesnt care about his birds health will never be a good racing man.we all have to jab out birds evbery year for pmv,this is a virus that can only be passed to another bird when its active.a problem which should have been easily resolved years ago and now this anual jab could be the cause of of contributes to the adeno-coli infection.now we are finding that the birds need 2 jabs a year to stop them getting sick.where does all this shoite end?

[Tony C]

any decent fancier should know when his birds not well,anyone who doesnt know or doesnt care about his birds health will never be a good racing man.we all have to jab out birds evbery year for pmv,this is a virus that can only be passed to another bird when its active.a problem which should have been easily resolved years ago and now this anual jab could be the cause of of contributes to the adeno-coli infection.now we are finding that the birds need 2 jabs a year to stop them getting sick.where does all this shoite end?

 

 

Dont know where it ends but a good start would be for fanciers to be honest with eachother.

[BLACK W F]

I've seen birds do this for nearly 30 odd years in race panniers long before adenovirus , I had a gay pied hen years ago every time she traveled she was sick and I mean every time , she scored from sartilly 514 miles , nothing to worry about in old birds , different in youngsters in the height of the virus season .

spot on Stuart i have seen this many times i seen birds going to races that could not get another grain in their crops

walter do you put your clubs birds through on basketing night if so you,ll know most of the time old birds being sick is through being over fed to near basketing time JMO

[William Reid]

spot on Stuart i have seen this many times i seen birds going to races that could not get another grain in their crops

walter do you put your clubs birds through on basketing night if so you,ll know most of the time old birds being sick is through being over fed to near basketing time JMO

What a load of sht are you for real if you are hungry and fill your tank the last thing you are going to do is vomit it back out unless you're unwell

[hotrod]

Wattie, having read your previous article on this subject I found it very interesting and certainly food for thought, I also find your comments on this thread interesting but have to agree with hotrod on his point of old birds being sick in the basket as I have also seen this many times at race marking in my 45 plus years of keeping pigeons and seen it long before we had ever heard of paramyxovirus or adenovirus.

 

Whilst I understand your concerns I think their is a big difference between a healthy bird throwing up food in the basket and bird that is actually ill doing the same, it comes down to observation on the decent fanciers part who should keep any dubious birds at home but as we all know not everyone will do this and their are also many who would not know the difference.

 

Bang on davie. There is a big difference all you need to do is observe them after being sick , if they sit all hunched up then yes there could be something wrong with them . I have also noticed birds being sick after to much grit or the wrong grit.

[Delboy]

you would need a very strong president and a basket convener that can fight like f k m8 then you will still get the old pals act oh its ma m8 wullies its just car sickness

 

There should be a convenor at any pigeon club dealing with ill/injured pigeons or pigeons he considers not fit to race.I was the Kirkintilloch convenor before being secretary and I threw out a good few pigeons over the years.( not one person questioned my decision) It was the same at National level, I was the SNFC west section convenor and have refused pigeons from going to the race on several occasions, again with no complaint.

[William Reid]

Big Davie and Hotrod 500+ fanciers

 

Don't understand your reasoning about this thread

 

Could you please differentiate between healthy and unhealthy

 

Both of you have said a pigeon being sick is ok and a pigeon that is ill being sick is a different thing

Could you please explain .if a pigeon has to vomit there is something wrong .

 

And what would you treat your vomiting (ill) pigeons with .

[walterboswell59]

guys at the end of the day any bird that is sick in the basket is a problem because we dont know what its carrying and other birds are eating it and i know for a fact its one of the first signs of adenovirus in old birds and i dont want my birds in beside them if people are happy with birds being sick in beside there birds thats up to them but i can garntee that your birds will be doing the same thing in a week or two then you will start losing pigeons if the fed would allow us to put our birds in our own basket that would help but thats not going to happen and in 50 years of keeping pigeons i have neaver had a bird that was vomiting and was not ill in days no matter if it was stuffed with feed or run up and down the motorway for hours if there sick there sick imo

[Guest chad3646]

guys at the end of the day any bird that is sick in the basket is a problem because we dont know what its carrying and other birds are eating it and i know for a fact its one of the first signs of adenovirus in old birds and i dont want my birds in beside them if people are happy with birds being sick in beside there birds thats up to them but i can garntee that your birds will be doing the same thing in a week or two then you will start losing pigeons if the fed would allow us to put our birds in our own basket that would help but thats not going to happen and in 50 years of keeping pigeons i have neaver had a bird that was vomiting and was not ill in days no matter if it was stuffed with feed or run up and down the motorway for hours if there sick there sick imo

 

 

well walter you say in not as many words,that it would be difficult to take a bird out of a burnbank basket well what are you supposed to do???

[hotrod]

Big Davie and Hotrod 500+ fanciers

 

Don't understand your reasoning about this thread

 

Could you please differentiate between healthy and unhealthy

 

Both of you have said a pigeon being sick is ok and a pigeon that is ill being sick is a different thing

Could you please explain .if a pigeon has to vomit there is something wrong .

 

And what would you treat your vomiting (ill) pigeons with .

 

 

, I've already said some /most pigeons don't or dislike travel , motion sickness, So they can regurgitate their food ,but it doesn't mean they are unhealthy ,yes bringing up food is sometimes associated with illness ,but there is a big difference with sick/unhealthy pigeons and a bird that has brought up its chuck.for a number of reasons , traveling in a car/ eating something that it shouldn't have ie big grit. Too much grit / minerals , and I do agree with most on here that some fanciers do send unhealthy pigeons in the race baskets , the classic one is y/b sickness, I haven't got it they say but they lose most of their birds ,and infect all the rest of the baskets .

[William Reid]

, I've already said some /most pigeons don't or dislike travel , motion sickness, So they can regurgitate their food ,but it doesn't mean they are unhealthy ,yes bringing up food is sometimes associated with illness ,but there is a big difference with sick/unhealthy pigeons and a bird that has brought up its chuck.for a number of reasons , traveling in a car/ eating something that it shouldn't have ie big grit. Too much grit / minerals , and I do agree with most on here that some fanciers do send unhealthy pigeons in the race baskets , the classic one is y/b sickness, I haven't got it they say but they lose most of their birds ,and infect all the rest of the baskets .

A young bird vomiting and old bird vomiting is the same thing that has nothing to do with young bird sickness .

But with a young bird that has not been vaccinated correctly and vomiting this will bring on YBS that is a different illness altogether

[walterboswell59]

, I've already said some /most pigeons don't or dislike travel , motion sickness, So they can regurgitate their food ,but it doesn't mean they are unhealthy ,yes bringing up food is sometimes associated with illness ,but there is a big difference with sick/unhealthy pigeons and a bird that has brought up its chuck.for a number of reasons , traveling in a car/ eating something that it shouldn't have ie big grit. Too much grit / minerals , and I do agree with most on here that some fanciers do send unhealthy pigeons in the race baskets , the classic one is y/b sickness, I haven't got it they say but they lose most of their birds ,and infect all the rest of the baskets .

correct hotrod and its the same with the old birds only people are not seeing it and if a pigeon eats something that makes it sick its doing it for a reason its trying to rid its self of something and no matter how you paint it its not normal for human mamal or bird to be sick and not ill imo

[Guest chad3646]

There should be a convenor at any pigeon club dealing with ill/injured pigeons or pigeons he considers not fit to race.I was the Kirkintilloch convenor before being secretary and I threw out a good few pigeons over the years.( not one person questioned my decision) It was the same at National level, I was the SNFC west section convenor and have refused pigeons from going to the race on several occasions, again with no complaint.

 

 

hear hear :emoticon-0167-beer:

[Guest stb-]

correct hotrod and its the same with the old birds only people are not seeing it and if a pigeon eats something that makes it sick its doing it for a reason its trying to rid its self of something and no matter how you paint it its not normal for human mamal or bird to be sick and not ill imo

jeez i dont know about that walter when i used to take my daughter to football if it were more than 20 mins away she got car sick and puked her load , also one of our dogs throws up every time it goes in the car the rest dont bother , my daughter and the dog aint ill just dont handle travel well , im sure pigeons will be the same just because they chuck dont mean they have a illness :emoticon-0167-beer:

[Big Davie]

correct hotrod and its the same with the old birds only people are not seeing it and if a pigeon eats something that makes it sick its doing it for a reason its trying to rid its self of something and no matter how you paint it its not normal for human mamal or bird to be sick and not ill imo

Walter, with regards humans have you never heard of travel, air or being sea sick which are all well documented, when this happens to a person it does not mean they are clinically ill or diseased it is only a temporary sickness due to the body being unaccustomed to the motion of travel.

 

Again I reiterate your observations do provide for thought as you have obviously studied this subject quite closely, but to say that they are factual and then ask us to believe that the whole fed will smitten with adenovirus within the next fortnight because an odd bird was sick IMO takes a bit of believing, however having said that I firmly agree that not all birds that are race marked on a Friday night are healthy.

[Delboy]

The yb sickness starts at the same time every year for everyone, ill have it in next week, guaranteed. Obs being sick while travelling is nothing to worry about BUT if they were sick in the loft then you should pay attention to them.Usually thrush ( candidia ) is the cause and this occurs after a treatment of antibiotics or if you feed too much sweet stuff.

[walterboswell59]

jeez i dont know about that walter when i used to take my daughter to football if it were more than 20 mins away she got car sick and puked her load , also one of our dogs throws up every time it goes in the car the rest dont bother , my daughter and the dog aint ill just dont handle travel well , im sure pigeons will be the same just because they chuck dont mean they have a illness :emoticon-0167-beer:

rab if pigeons got moition sickness we would all have to wear crash helmets m8 and il bet your daughter and dog felt ill affter being sick no ones at there best after just being sick fanciers are accepting this as a natural thing and im just saying its a sign somethings going on inside the pigeon there horrified if they see there youngbirds being sick but turn a blind eye when its there old birds and im telling them there old birds get the same thing as there youngbirds adendnovirus so if your birds are being sick you should be worried and they must be very very clever men that can watch a bird being sick and know its only car sickness i cant tell can you

[hotrod]

rab if pigeons got moition sickness we would all have to wear crash helmets m8 and il bet your daughter and dog felt ill affter being sick no ones at there best after just being sick fanciers are accepting this as a natural thing and im just saying its a sign somethings going on inside the pigeon there horrified if they see there youngbirds being sick but turn a blind eye when its there old birds and im telling them there old birds get the same thing as there youngbirds adendnovirus so if your birds are being sick you should be worried and they must be very very clever men that can watch a bird being sick and know its only car sickness i cant tell can you

 

Sorry Walter I thought were a proper pigeon man , how the fk does the parents feed their young ? You guessed it the regurgitate the feed ,exactly the same as bringing up there food when sick ,so every time an adult pigeon feeds its youngsters you are saying they are not at their best , what a lot of tripe mate , try saying this to the fed. Toppers feeding big youngsters. My last post on this crap.

[walterboswell59]

The yb sickness starts at the same time every year for everyone, ill have it in next week, guaranteed. Obs being sick while travelling is nothing to worry about BUT if they were sick in the loft then you should pay attention to them.Usually thrush ( candidia ) is the cause and this occurs after a treatment of antibiotics or if you feed too much sweet stuff.

your right del i have found the ones being sick have thrush or fungal infection in the crop and birds will gorge on grit or some plants to make themselves sick to try and get rid of it

[dava]

The yb sickness starts at the same time every year for everyone, ill have it in next week, guaranteed. Obs being sick while travelling is nothing to worry about BUT if they were sick in the loft then you should pay attention to them.Usually thrush ( candidia ) is the cause and this occurs after a treatment of antibiotics or if you feed too much sweet stuff.

so del if your ybs come down with it in the next couple of weeks then how will you deal with it

[Guest geordiejen]

in my opinion i dont think every bird can go a car journey without pukin up seed.i know you all put your birds in a basket among other birds.my carry case has 6 individual compartments and when i put all birds in i make sure the birds are facing forward and this seems to help the birds from puking.me as a kid i used to vomit all the time in car journeys.the worst was when i was in the back of a van and i couldnt see where i was going and i was sick very soon into the journey.if you are in your loft every day then you should know when your birds are unwell.anyone knowingly sticks his birds into a race is wasting his or her time and spreading infection on his fellow faciers and mates.reading up on yb sickness it can be treated in one week with antibiotics to sort the bacterial side of it but unfortunately the viral side of it can take upto 6 months to shift from the bird.with no visual effect on the bird it can be very difficult to know.unless you racing guys all read from the same book you have no bio-security.