korhil Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hi all, I am restarting racing with ybs this year, and was hoping to use my T3 that I just had converted to thimble less clocking, however the club I want to join wants me to use the clubs ets ? I wanted to use my clock as to me that's part of the excitement in timing in ? Can I hold out to use my clock or will I have to go with the ets ? Thanks for any advice, mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hi all, I am restarting racing with ybs this year, and was hoping to use my T3 that I just had converted to thimble less clocking, however the club I want to join wants me to use the clubs ets ? I wanted to use my clock as to me that's part of the excitement in timing in ? Can I hold out to use my clock or will I have to go with the ets ? Thanks for any advice, micktell em if the ets rings free ok as yer cant aford 1-50 a pop for the rip off rings and your more than happy to use yer T3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hi all, I am restarting racing with ybs this year, and was hoping to use my T3 that I just had converted to thimble less clocking, however the club I want to join wants me to use the clubs ets ? I wanted to use my clock as to me that's part of the excitement in timing in ? Can I hold out to use my clock or will I have to go with the ets ? Thanks for any advice, mick You can't be forced to use one system or the other. But if you have used ETS nothing would make you change back, and it is a lot better on the bird, both at marking and on trapping from the race - you'll never frighten a bird into not trapping in the way that a bird frequently caught soon learns the score. Sounds as if the club are providing you with the equipment free, but every year you will need to buy ETS rings at £1.50 each for your YBs. If that sounds a lot, you can reduce your overall costs by breeding fewer YBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 You can't be forced to use one system or the other. But if you have used ETS nothing would make you change back, and it is a lot better on the bird, both at marking and on trapping from the race - you'll never frighten a bird into not trapping in the way that a bird frequently caught soon learns the score. Sounds as if the club are providing you with the equipment free, but every year you will need to buy ETS rings at £1.50 each for your YBs. If that sounds a lot, you can reduce your overall costs by breeding fewer YBs. There are clubs as well as feds,that have rules preventing fanciers using ETS so if your club as a rule saying you cant use a T3 then I think you will have to abide by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 firstly no club or fed can ban ets or clocks,secondly you dont need to buy ets rings every year, you just take them off your obs to put on ybs and have them re marked, i only top up my rings every couple of years due to loses,as this club is only ets it might be as well to go along with them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 they cant stop you using a T3 or any other clock which is past for use by unions, there was something about not using ETS if a club cant get anyone to set them, dont know if this still stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 firstly no club or fed can ban ets or clocks,secondly you dont need to buy ets rings every year, you just take them off your obs to put on ybs and have them re marked, i only top up my rings every couple of years due to loses,as this club is only ets it might be as well to go along with them,I can assure you that there are clubs and feds around that will not accept ETS, they may be doing it against RPRA rules but it does go on ask WILEY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hi all, I am restarting racing with ybs this year, and was hoping to use my T3 that I just had converted to thimble less clocking, however the club I want to join wants me to use the clubs ets ? I wanted to use my clock as to me that's part of the excitement in timing in ? Can I hold out to use my clock or will I have to go with the ets ? Thanks for any advice, mickIf you are not in this club yet you cant really hold out as they will just turn down your application and not have to give you a reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Rule 231 covers you Mick ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS 230. All Association members are allowed to time their birds electronically at all levels of competition with an RPRA approved electronic timing system (ETS) providing the club/organisation has the required equipment and the officials are competent to use it. 231. No Association member can be compelled to use an electronic timing system. Any ETS equipment showing visible signs of damage to the casing or seal (even if caused accidentally) cannot be used to produce race entry details or strike off sheets. Officials have the power to detain any ETS they consider doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can assure you that there are clubs and feds around that will not accept ETS, they may be doing it against RPRA rules but it does go on ask WILEY. Its not a case of 'will not accept ETS' Tony, its more the case of we democratically voted that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Its not a case of 'will not accept ETS' Tony, its more the case of we democratically voted that way.if anyone takes there case to rpra they will win hands down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Its not a case of 'will not accept ETS' Tony, its more the case of we democratically voted that way.But would you not agree that you are breaking RPRA rules by stopping anyone who wished to join your Fed and use a ETS system. It is much the same senario that Korhil is finding himself in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Its not a case of 'will not accept ETS' Tony, its more the case of we democratically voted that way.and in doing so u are breaking RPRA rules, the only way u can refuse ets is if no one is able to set it up, not in your club or fed rules as said if chalanged u would loose hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 But would you not agree that you are breaking RPRA rules by stopping anyone who wished to join your Fed and use a ETS system. It is much the same senario that Korhil is finding himself in.They can use ETS in the Fed I belong to BUT they have to have a manual clock set too & all pigeons are to be rubbered. Not one person follows this practise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 They can use ETS in the Fed I belong to BUT they have to have a manual clock set too & all pigeons are to be rubbered. Not one person follows this practise.But am I right in saying the manual clock would have to be their number 1 clock so it would be a waste of time and money having a ETS system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 They can use ETS in the Fed I belong to BUT they have to have a manual clock set too & all pigeons are to be rubbered. Not one person follows this practise.But am I right in saying the manual clock would have to be their number 1 clock so it would be a waste of time and money having a ETS system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 But am I right in saying the manual clock would have to be their number 1 clock so it would be a waste of time and money having a ETS system. The time shown on the ETS would be the true flying time and the true velocity, that is what would be used as long as the rubber is timed into the conventional clock within 90 seconds of the ETS time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 can some one tell me if the t3 junior clock has aclock roll in for printing as i was thinking of getting one but dont know much about this clock i have a stb quartz at present need second clock .how do they record tghe time please thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 can some one tell me if the t3 junior clock has aclock roll in for printing as i was thinking of getting one but dont know much about this clock i have a stb quartz at present need second clock .how do they record tghe time please thank you A T3 clock needs a data-printer (see below) along with leads which you plug into the clock, this then transfers data from clock onto a paper printout. Contact your club secretary and find out if they have a data-printer before purchasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 can some one tell me if the t3 junior clock has aclock roll in for printing as i was thinking of getting one but dont know much about this clock i have a stb quartz at present need second clock .how do they record tghe time please thank youHell of a lot of T3s for sale at the moment,so be careful that the battery in it still as a few years left as its about £45 to have it changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 thank you for your feed back will get stb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Mick Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 You'll miss none of the excitement when using ETS, you or the birds will not miss having to rip a rubber ring off an unsuspecting pigeons leg. Manual clocking was a necessity not a pleasure and it the first thing you're glad to see the back of when ETS is used.You're are in the enviable position of having an ETS clock available free of charge. Grab it with both hands, you will find the cost of ETS rings a small price to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can assure you that there are clubs and feds around that will not accept ETS, they may be doing it against RPRA rules but it does go on ask WILEY. Tony, in my own fed it's a gentlemans agreement no rule, but if someone wanted to use ETS the fed couldn't stop them as long as they had people to set it and read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyyy Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 they cant stop you using a T3 or any other clock which is past for use by unions, there was something about not using ETS if a club cant get anyone to set them, dont know if this still stands That one still stands, it's just got passed in our fed as they now have someone to set them, in both clubs i fly in, A member proposed to get a grant for every member to get Ets but it got kicked it.. So many older pigeon flyers won't use Ets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korhil Posted February 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Thanks for all the comments, if I understand what's been said, they can't stop me using a t3 unless there is a club rule stating all members must use ets ? Is that the gist of it ? Thanks again, mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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