Rpra Hawk Watch

[Guest Cawdy]

Has anyone seen the RPRA's hawk watch section in the BHW with the ID silhouette of a percy and a "sparrow hawk" .

 

is it just me or dose the first sparr pic looks like a buzzard and im quite sure the other is of a red kite as it's got a massive fork in the tail.

 

 

if they canny tell the difference between these two what chance have we got of them convincing Parliament to vote on a cull :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[TheHigg]

trust you allan ya nosey wee cnt well done mate you are right enough

[PATTY BHOY]

noticed that masell

[billt]

I don't get the BHW myself but I'm sure by you're description you are right and that is really worrying, If that's the best the pigeon fancy can do then we have no chance, why don't they employ someone who knows at least knows about raptors, after over 60yrs. a birdie I'm volunteering

[boxer]

And they missed the deadliest one of all out the GOSS HAWK!!

[billt]

And they missed the deadliest one of all out the GOSS HAWK!!

 

Agree there, the others are pussy-cats in comparison, I've been pestered by them over the last few years

[boxer]

Agree there, the others are pussy-cats in comparison, I've been pestered by them over the last few years

 

SAME HERE M8 THEY ARE A NIGHTMARE WORST OF THEM ALL ONE NEARLY HIT ME LAST YEAR DROPPED FROM A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET UP OVER TOP OF MY HEAD BIRDS WAS ON LOFT S@?T MYSELF.

[andy Burgess]

phone them and tell them what a mistake theyve made .

[Guest bluemorning]

i agrre,to get any protection which i dont think they will you have to know about enviromental issues with bop as well or the other side will make you look silly and ill informed not blowing my own trumpet but i sent a post i wrote to ra and also to the bhw who actualy placed this in a issue of bhw but no repley from ra its called birds of prey problems and pigeon fanciers it it contains information of nest site imprinting and is only brief also touches on some other aspects with bop but the ra are just going with the killing of racers which i dont think will be enough,also falconers have had buzzards attact pere falcons on a kill and in some cases the falcon has been killed now falconers are complaning,you need as much information as possible to win any ground at all but the ra are just putting all the eggs in 1 basket

[Guest Cawdy]

i could understand these kind of mistakes from a small organization with limited resources but i see that the RPRA east region (i think ?) questioned the amount of money that hawk watch has spent on lawyers. so it seems that hawk watch has ample funds to conduct there research. so mistakes like this shouldn't happen

 

i agrre,to get any protection which i dont think they will you have to know about environmental issues with bop as well or the other side will make you look silly and ill informed not blowing my own trumpet but i sent a post i wrote to ra and also to the bhw who actualy placed this in a issue of bhw but no repley from ra its called birds of prey problems and pigeon fanciers it it contains information of nest site imprinting and is only brief also touches on some other aspects with bop but the ra are just going with the killing of racers which i dont think will be enough,also falconers have had buzzards attact pere falcons on a kill and in some cases the falcon has been killed now falconers are complaning,you need as much information as possible to win any ground at all but the ra are just putting all the eggs in 1 basket

 

i agree blue morning there really needs to be a strong argument put forward here with all sides covered including environmental and social repercussions of a inflated raptor population and for any possible counter arguments to these points answers need to be ready and CORRECT because these types of silly mistakes only weakens our credibility.

 

dont get me wrong i think the road the RPRA is going down of public awareness and media coverage of the sport is extremely worth while but just look at the gamekeepers they have been fighting this from day one but because shooting is seen as a elitist sport there is very little public support. so getting the public onside is great but it should only be part of a multi pronged attack.

[walterboswell59]

we are wasting our time and money no one is interested in what happens to pigeon our only chance is highlighting whats happening to our small birds bye making the public aware of why they they are not getting half as many small birds at there bird tables because rspb and other s have trully upset the balance of nature i have taken my bird feeder down the hawks were using it as a takeaway

[Guest Cawdy]

but until we can release the ball grip the rspb has on government and prove without a shadow of a doubt that they deliberately publishing incorrect figures then imo were up sh** creek without a paddle.

[walterboswell59]

but until we can release the ball grip the rspb has on government and prove without a shadow of a doubt that they deliberately publishing incorrect figures then imo were up sh** creek without a paddle.

your right cawdy think we have to sort this our self and there is only one way

[William Reid]

your right cawdy think we have to sort this our self and there is only one way

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[Guest chad3646]

we are wasting our time and money no one is interested in what happens to pigeon our only chance is highlighting whats happening to our small birds bye making the public aware of why they they are not getting half as many small birds at there bird tables because rspb and other s have trully upset the balance of nature i have taken my bird feeder down the hawks were using it as a takeaway

 

 

 

 

spot on walter

[Guest bluemorning]

Peregrines

Not much to say on this as anyone who has a peregrine problem will tell you how successful both the tierce and falcon are at hunting. But I would like to bring a few points to people’s attention. Peregrine as you know basically means wanderer or nomad. And after the breeding season would leave the nesting area and hunt at estuaries etc where waders gather in large numbers, returning now and again to the nest site throughout the winter, but the tides are turning. Over twenty pairs of peregrine now live in the London area and do not venture from the breeding area all year the bonus of feral pigeons songbirds in parks and gardens and a large supply of starlings in the winter months. But this may also be due to them protecting the nest site area so no other pair moves in as London is at a saturation point with unmated birds readily seeking nest sites. So why are more and more peregrines moving in our city and towns we know that peregrines have nested in London for a hundred years or more? But they seem to be spreading and occupying new towns. This could be due to less natural nesting sites being available, and easy city life with pigeons on tap but it is mainly due to nest site imprinting. Young falcons imprint on the nest site they grew up in and when at breeding age seek similar nest sites for themselves. When a pair of falcons turns up at a new location certain bodies oblige and put a nest box up which costs very little money to construct and easily placed on a tall building. A new generation of peregrines imprinted on an artificial nest sites are born, you do the maths. Don’t believe me, in Germany great effort in reintroducing tree nesting peregrines has been done where birds reared on artificial tree nests to be released back into the wild for this very same reason. In America there are fears that the urban peregrine will not cross over with birds that use more traditional nest sites cliff faces etc as the nest box birds will not accept a cliff top nest site. What will this do to the genetic makeup, will we end up with two sub species .I would also like to point out that peregrine numbers are above pre war numbers with a hell of a lot of land and habitat been lost built on and farmed since that time. We must encourage the peregrine back to more traditional nest sites, but this would be a lot more costly constructing false nest sites on cliff faces than a wooden box stuck on the side of a building. So the trend will continue, to me this falcon deserves protection but not pampering nor used as an advertisement billboard. There is one basic fact predators cannot survive without prey but sooner or later the spars numbers will decrease due to its range of prey decreasing and spars have a high mortality rate throughout the winter. but on the other hand peregrines have a massive prey range which will sustain it quiet well. Here’s some more bad news anyone aware of fear of predation this is caused by living close to predators and basically birds do not have the hatch rate or rearing rate of birds not in direct predation fear. As pigeon fanciers we are devastated to see racing pigeons leg rings scattered about peregrines nest sites, but in reality we have to accept that a large number of these will be strays of ours that have hooked up with feral pigeons. Walk through any town and you will see half a dozen races in with the feral. But peregrines do take races but how to prove the numbers and dates caught is near on impossible. But any poor fancier near a falcons nest site will be able to count his daily. I believe that all parties need to sit round a large table and talk about the future of songbirds racing pigeons and birds of prey we can’t change what’s happened in the past that’s history. But the future needs to be addressed for all concerned because if you are a bird lover and want to protect birds it must be all birds not a fashionable choice because when the prey species disappear so will the predators. Thanks martin

 

 

this is one page that i sent to the RA and never got a reply i posted this and other parts on hear a few months ago,also sent it to BHW and was shocked when they placed it in the BHW,it gives in small detail of worthwhile information that could be followed up by factual research.i flew and kept birds of prey for 14 years and always observe them when i can and have over the years done a hell of a lot of reading on them. i hope it dosent sound like sour grapes because its not but i cannot understand why this is not followed up by the RA because its facts that win you ground and any ground gained is better than none ,i also posted some time ago that the construction of manmade nest sites should stop and infact trhe removal of nest sites over time on race routes and towns and citys and a move to more traditional sites should be encouraged, the pigeon fanciers that live close to these false sites will suffer the most,

and as most pigeon fanciers exist in a urban enviroment and the increase of the urban peregrine will continue as new generations of imprinted nest site peregrines seeking manmade nest site will soon fill all our towns and citys,