Benefits Of West Route Into Lanarkshire

[Delboy]

The best performance into the west from nationals has been from a westerly race points Messac 1st open to the great Mr & Mrs Elliot and the ever consistent George Mann 1st open Marlborough all in 2012. Still haven't seen 1st open into the west section from an Easterly racepoint!! why!! because you cant take the Pennines out of the equation and the easier terraine that easterly fanciers have(cant help were you live). The west will never win from the easterly locations unless you get us a racepoint from Germany or there is a gale of an east wind, so untill then we will just have to get on with it and do the best we can.

 

Dont disagree about your breaking points, but realistically it is unworkable as there will always be someone who will not be happy.

Disappoints me that you would criticize me sitting to the front and middle of the fed , no advantage to Larkhall members as an east wind will be won by fanciers to the west and back of the fed, a west wind will be won by fanciers sitting to the east and back of the fed. Wind determines in 90-95% of all races!!! look at this years Lanarkshire results!! and any other year for that matter.

 

If only every race was a head wind, ...lol

 

 

Do you think everyone is happy now lol, make it fairer, make more happier.Imagine showing some Joe Blogg in the street a pigeon result and saying P.Virtue won the race but the real winner is G.Rankin in 20th position as it was a west wind.They would say your mad, the winner is the guy lifting the cup, no one else.This is easy to sort but the guys in the favourable positions dont want it sorted.Funnily enough, these same guys lose credibility because even when they get a real good yin, everyone still thinks that it is location etc.ps. Larkhall has never won the Lanarkshire fed,???? lol why did you move your dookits there lol.pps the 2 winners mentioned in the west section were both disaster races,but were best birds in race , no doubt.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Do you think everyone is happy now lol, make it fairer, make more happier.Imagine showing some Joe Blogg in the street a pigeon result and saying P.Virtue won the race but the real winner is G.Rankin in 20th position as it was a west wind.They would say your mad, the winner is the guy lifting the cup, no one else.This is easy to sort but the guys in the favourable positions dont want it sorted.Funnily enough, these same guys lose credibility because even when they get a real good yin, everyone still thinks that it is location etc.ps. Larkhall has never won the Lanarkshire fed,???? lol why did you move your dookits there lol.pps the 2 winners mentioned in the west section were both disaster races,but were best birds in race , no doubt.

Moved to Larkhall because of the garden, 107 meters long. Back gardens for doos nowadays are few and far between. Certainly wasn't to gain any advantage of location, at the time of moving I was told by my new club mates that i was of my head. Anyway Larkhall do occasionly top the fed but these are few and far between, even though it has been the one of the strongest clubs in Scotland for the last century, worth noting that since Willie Wilson won the Lanarkshire fed Old bird average in 1970, it has only been won on one occasion in to the town. Wink...lol

[VMS]

The best performance into the west from nationals has been from a westerly race points Messac 1st open to the great Mr & Mrs Elliot and the ever consistent George Mann 1st open Marlborough all in 2012. Still haven't seen 1st open into the west section from an Easterly racepoint!! why!! because you cant take the Pennines out of the equation and the easier terraine that easterly fanciers have(cant help were you live). The west will never win from the easterly locations unless you get us a racepoint from Germany or there is a gale of an east wind, so untill then we will just have to get on with it and do the best we can.

 

Dont disagree about your breaking points, but realistically it is unworkable as there will always be someone who will not be happy.

 

Disappoints me that you would criticize me sitting to the front and middle of the fed , no advantage to Larkhall members as an east wind will be won by fanciers to the west and back of the fed, a west wind will be won by fanciers sitting to the east and back of the fed. Wind determines in 90-95% of all races!!! look at this years Lanarkshire results!! and any other year for that matter.

 

Dan mitchel,Vince hendry and Stuart Mullen have all won national races out the East into the west in recent years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If only every race was a head wind, ...lol

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

True enough Vince, suppose i was commentating on SNFC when i posted. All great winners you mention that won these SNRPC races, lets hope there another one or two this year.

[Roland]

Have often said, and it is easy to bear out, seldom does the best pigeon, all things considered, win the race. The bigger the pool radious the more this is true.

But one can't have a completely fair race... but there could certainly be a lot more levelling of the playing fields if .... But that won't every happen. Those in favoured positions make sure they are on committees that matter. They watch each other's backs and squeeze out any sign of fairness being formed. Those that try are out voted, get fed up with bashing their head against a wall to no avail. Now the shape of the Long Boat heading towards the Lib point is proven best. Longer rather than wider sections etc. But this will never be... Why? Because those in power want the also rans to bolster their' money pot. As for sections being better, to get some decent merit for those that have little, to no chance, of winning the big one, that is a no go.

But a bit of savvy and looking at where birds placed / homed and the wind / conditions, one can soon sort out where the best bird(s) were. Yes, and sometimes it is the winner, though not often.

And before any one offers such c$ap as to 'Work harder, get birds fitter and better etc. Don't. For those that are in favoured positions have bought or moved there and have their' birds conditioned, race fit and raring to go too. So you won't get yours better. May well be better than 40 - 60 of theirs, but the others will beat you!

[blucock]

True enough Vince, suppose i was commentating on SNFC when i posted. All great winners you mention that won these SNRPC races, lets hope there another one or two this year.

 

Gareth, I think the reason you didn't name the SNRPC is well documented - the West fanciers have a much better chance of winning the "National" when the convoy is the size of a small fed. The SNFC can have 5-6000 inland and a convoy twenty times the size of the SNRPC's with the vast majority heading for Eyemouth/Edinburgh/Fife areas - not a slant on the SNRPC but I would prefer a pair of youngsters from a Lanarkshire fed channel winner any day .... bear also in mind that the SNRPC convoyed with the West Cumbria fed in some of these case.

 

JMO of course

 

PS West route/East route no matter , the BOP is everywhere. If we really wanted quick racing with good returns we would race East to West in easterlies and SW to NE ie from Ireland in years with prevalent SW (never going to happen)... we don't have the foresight or the resources to be so flexible so it would be nice if fanciers stopped slaughtering those that work hard on their behalf and send when they want

[budgie]

West Coast from Longtown suicide 67mls doos taking all day (heavy losses)to return 1st Toss Today from Berwick East some 73 mls all home within 19 mins.Dont respond with the usual SH-TE east winds ,loosing pigeons that have either topped the Fed or are Multiple prize prize winners or going for Silver Awards should not be lost from a stupid Fed Training Toss.

Edited June 5, 2012 by budgie

[VMS]

Gareth, I think the reason you didn't name the SNRPC is well documented - the West fanciers have a much better chance of winning the "National" when the convoy is the size of a small fed. The SNFC can have 5-6000 inland and a convoy twenty times the size of the SNRPC's with the vast majority heading for Eyemouth/Edinburgh/Fife areas - not a slant on the SNRPC but I would prefer a pair of youngsters from a Lanarkshire fed channel winner any day .... bear also in mind that the SNRPC convoyed with the West Cumbria fed in some of these case.

 

JMO of course

 

PS West route/East route no matter , the BOP is everywhere. If we really wanted quick racing with good returns we would race East to West in easterlies and SW to NE ie from Ireland in years with prevalent SW (never going to happen)... we don't have the foresight or the resources to be so flexible so it would be nice if fanciers stopped slaughtering those that work hard on their behalf and send when they want

Dont know were you get the convoy 20 times the size from interesting,would say at the most inland5/6 times and the channel maybee 4 times.There is an argument that the small convoy from say 560 miles is far more difficult for the birds than the larger one but thats jmo.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

West Coast from Longtown suicide 67mls doos taking all day (heavy losses)to return 1st Toss Today from Berwick East some 73 mls all home within 19 mins.Dont respond with the usual SH-TE east winds ,loosing pigeons that have either topped the Fed or are Multiple prize prize winners or going for Silver Awards should not be lost from a stupid Fed Training Toss.

Andy I have lost good doos from short distances, section winners from Nantes at stupid distances whislt flying down the east route, namely westbound lady, westbound princess as example.

East or West this will continue, we've just got to live it and deal with the BOP the best we can. I hope that you and your fellow club mates are doing the bit in the battle against the BOP, if not then don't complain as it is these same fanciers that are doing nothing that are killing the sport. They want good racing handed on a plate, do racing isn't like that any more, so we all have to get of our arses and save our sport.

 

 

I agree that Saturday was a very poor race especially from under 70 miles to me and you, some club mates had very good returns. Myself dropped one out of 22 sent, could have picked the one that i would have lost, this makes me fortunate as a club mate has lost a couple of pigeons that flew Ypres which is terrible.

[Delboy]

West Coast from Longtown suicide 67mls doos taking all day (heavy losses)to return 1st Toss Today from Berwick East some 73 mls all home within 19 mins.Dont respond with the usual SH-TE east winds ,loosing pigeons that have either topped the Fed or are Multiple prize prize winners or going for Silver Awards should not be lost from a stupid Fed Training Toss.

 

Ive not been training much this year, only 3 since start of season.Sent 19 to Dunbar 66 miles today, 17 home in 4 minutes and other 2 later.Gareth had 4/22 in over hour from Longtown(65 mls )on Saturday,nuff said.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Ive not been training much this year, only 3 since start of season.Sent 19 to Dunbar 66 miles today, 17 home in 4 minutes and other 2 later.Gareth had 4/22 in over hour from Longtown(65 mls )on Saturday,nuff said.

Ok Delboy we will change racing so we only have racing from 60.70 miles, how bloody boring.

Have always said that racing for the first 70 miles racing from the east is slightly better than the west, this because of the flatter terrain. After this racing down the east is crap, even Midlothian pigeons took all day to come from witton castle earlier this year. Read reports on this site every week of every year about the bad/ tricky races that the east of Scotland feds have racing down the east, so how on earth can you expect that Lanarkshire can get better racing than them if they were to go that route.

 

PS, seven in the first hour, most of the later doos got the good fly that they were needing so there is a plus side to the bad race at the weekend.

 

Anyway is it no time your where back in the forum rehab clinic that you were in for the last nine months....lol

[frank-123]

West Coast from Longtown suicide 67mls doos taking all day (heavy losses)to return 1st Toss Today from Berwick East some 73 mls all home within 19 mins.Dont respond with the usual SH-TE east winds ,loosing pigeons that have either topped the Fed or are Multiple prize prize winners or going for Silver Awards should not be lost from a stupid Fed Training Toss.

 

Did some of the 2% go down as well ???

Funny how the guys at the fed meeting shouting to go west are back training from the east ask yourself That yin.

[budgie]

Did some of the 2% go down as well ???

Funny how the guys at the fed meeting shouting to go west are back training from the east ask yourself That yin.

Guid to se you back at the Helm Frank for your records i voted for East it was the Bunkle King and Jock the Cock who were for the West.Good luck this oncoming week and hope you are back to your good self.(2% ARE GOING THIS WEEK SEE YOU AT THE MARKING(

[frank-123]

I know you voted east Andy. Good luck from the National.

Newbury is centre/west that should suit everyone

[Guest KING BILLY]

Did some of the 2% go down as well ???

Funny how the guys at the fed meeting shouting to go west are back training from the east ask yourself That yin.

am a member of the midweek club have been for 4 years now and i do try to support all the clubs

[Delboy]

am a member of the midweek club have been for 4 years now and i do try to support all the clubs

I would support them tae if I could get in lol :lol:

 

Ok Delboy we will change racing so we only have racing from 60.70 miles, how bloody boring.

Have always said that racing for the first 70 miles racing from the east is slightly better than the west, this because of the flatter terrain. After this racing down the east is crap, even Midlothian pigeons took all day to come from witton castle earlier this year. Read reports on this site every week of every year about the bad/ tricky races that the east of Scotland feds have racing down the east, so how on earth can you expect that Lanarkshire can get better racing than them if they were to go that route.

 

PS, seven in the first hour, most of the later doos got the good fly that they were needing so there is a plus side to the bad race at the weekend.

 

Anyway is it no time your where back in the forum rehab clinic that you were in for the last nine months....lol

 

 

expletive remove, 7/22 m8, well done lol.Ive had cold turkey in rehab, now im back to haunt ye lol

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I would support them tae if I could get in lol :lol:

 

 

 

 

expletive remove, 7/22 m8, well done lol.Ive had cold turkey in rehab, now im back to haunt ye lol

Pmsl,