When To Medicate?

[The White Rapido Man]

Im new to racing chaps.......... in fact 2012 will be my first season and im unsure what programme of medication to follow, if any.

 

Stock to be paired up mid December. Can I have your opinions / do's and donts please?

 

many thanks

[Wiley]

In my opinion 6 weeks before pairing the birds need to be treated against paratyphoid for 10-14 days there's many stuff on the Market to treat for this, after that they will get treated for canker while sitting.

[dal2]

In my opinion 6 weeks before pairing the birds need to be treated against paratyphoid for 10-14 days there's many stuff on the Market to treat for this, after that they will get treated for canker while sitting.

Ye deffo and maybe a worm treat if they new doos?

[OLDYELLOW]

save yourself as lot of guessing and get them tested then treat what needs treating , will save you money and save your birds from unnecessary treatment ,I will never treat for paratyphoid no point in exposing healthy birds to paratyphoid unless you want a flock of carriers :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[dal2]

save yourself as lot of guessing and get them tested then treat what needs treating , will save you money and save your birds from unnecessary treatment ,I will never treat for paratyphoid no point in exposing healthy birds to paratyphoid unless you want a flock of carriers :emoticon-0179-headbang:

So if you contracted Typhoid wot would you do?

[REDCHEQHEN]

save yourself as lot of guessing and get them tested then treat what needs treating , will save you money and save your birds from unnecessary treatment ,I will never treat for paratyphoid no point in exposing healthy birds to paratyphoid unless you want a flock of carriers :emoticon-0179-headbang:

 

 

I don't understand this statement

You expose your birds to paratyphoid every time they are placed in the basket to race with other people's birds

I can guarantee atleast one person in your club will have it in their birds

And they probably won't even know it

[OLDYELLOW]

So if you contracted Typhoid wot would you do?

I'd cull the lot , you can't treat for something you haven't got .

[OLDYELLOW]

I don't understand this statement

You expose your birds to paratyphoid every time they are placed in the basket to race with other people's birds

I can guarantee atleast one person in your club will have it in their birds

And they probably won't even know it

Well if they have then I'd imagine they wouldn't have many birds as they'd loose them , there birds wouldn't successfully raise more birds so I'd imagine there loft be eradicated very quickly . You can't prevent illness or disease , if it was possible no-one would ail or be sick , I certainly wouldn't want to go for a course of chemotherapy just to prevent cancer that I haven't got and I certainly don't take antibiotics every day just incase I get ill and nope I don't take headache tablets before I get a headache . Pigeons that have good natural immunity don't need propping up with the medicine cabinet .Your flocks health is only as good as the weakest pigeon in your loft , keep propping up the weak ones and there be nothing left worth keeping . Treating creates false form and birds that ail more often. Test then Treat when necessary not for what they aint got or are very unlikely to get .

[clockman]

Well i'v had my flu jag just incase, ,

[OLDYELLOW]

Well i'v had my flu jag just incase, ,

that's fantastic that will stop you getting last years flu virus , but not this years mutated virus and side effects of flu jab is most get flu :emoticon-0137-clapping: , hmmmmm I'm supposed to get it due to been susceptible to pleurisy and pneumonia and been asthmatic , but think I'll take me chances

[delboy74]

Answer me please old yellow So you test your birds do you swab every doo in the loft??? Do you take every doo too the vet??? And do you wait for every doo too have a crap and collect it and send them away for testing or do you just guess and only get some tested ??? How much does your vet take to check a pigeon ?

[Guest KING BILLY]

i think you have to be carful when treting birds at this time of year when the darknes yb are not fineshed thare moult a lot of medication can efect the moult i have seen in the past with fethers looking as if thay have been singed due to treting when moulting and i have been told by one of the best fancers in the fed if you treet with parastop to close to pairing up you get a lot of blank eggs naturel products as prevenstion is always better than antibioticts and alot of distanc doos who get paired up later in the year to catch the races at the end of the sesone are just getting fineshed the moult i would never pair old birds up until thay have fineshed thare moult

[OLDYELLOW]

Answer me please old yellow So you test your birds do you swab every doo in the loft??? Do you take every doo too the vet??? And do you wait for every doo too have a crap and collect it and send them away for testing or do you just guess and only get some tested ??? How much does your vet take to check a pigeon ?

I simply collect droppings from each box / perch then these are mixed into a paste , I take one bird the doggiest looking one in the loft , a full test costs £30 probably far less than what it would cost for 1 course of medication . Remember every loft has it's own unique resistance to ailments and as a flock they will all come into contact with each other ( they all drink from same drinker ). So I think my method I've used since 1992 in keeping my flock health is working I've still got birds going back to my originals in 92/93 that are winning now , never treated for paratyphoid and why would you treat birds for something they never had or got .

[delboy74]

I simply collect droppings from each box / perch then these are mixed into a paste , I take one bird the doggiest looking one in the loft , a full test costs £30 probably far less than what it would cost for 1 course of medication . Remember every loft has it's own unique resistance to ailments and as a flock they will all come into contact with each other ( they all drink from same drinker ). So I think my method I've used since 1992 in keeping my flock health is working I've still got birds going back to my originals in 92/93 that are winning now , never treated for paratyphoid and why would you treat birds for something they never had or got .

So you are just guessing which ones to swab blind swabbing cause its cheaper than testing all of them ??

[OLDYELLOW]

So you are just guessing which ones to swab blind swabbing cause its cheaper than testing all of them ??

why would you need to swab them all ?????? they all live as a flock a colony all exposed to same treatment , management and water supply and challenges to there health , it's well known most ailments are passed through the water or via there excrement or via the loft environment so as a whole one bird any random bird will represent the good or bad within the flock no-one would be able to afford to test every individual of there loft . All your doing is getting a good reference from the droppings of the whole loft and swabs from one , remember 99% of the time I'm testing healthy robust birds with good management . It's like this when they test food many different ingredients in a stew but they test a sample as everything in same pot has had same exposure and pose the same risk , you can buy a cake but I'm sure to eat the full cake would give you belly ache , but one slice will represent the cake as is consistent throughout , same for my birds One bird represents my colony's health worked for many years and will work for many more

[delboy74]

So why waste money testing healthy birds??

[Guest KING BILLY]

i think if your the god in the loft its up to you wich way to treet and who stays and who goes and one who treets and wins and the ones that dont treet and thare birds immune systems are ok and win are better of all roads lead to rome but i would say thare more top flyers that treat than ones that dont but wet canker treatment is a must and the spores of mouldie s h i t is a killer that leads to a lot of problems

[clockman]

that's fantastic that will stop you getting last years flu virus , but not this years mutated virus and side effects of flu jab is most get flu :emoticon-0137-clapping: , hmmmmm I'm supposed to get it due to been susceptible to pleurisy and pneumonia and been asthmatic , but think I'll take me chances

 

you cant get flu from the flu jag as it is not a live vaccine.

[delboy74]

i think if your the god in the loft its up to you wich way to treet and who stays and who goes and one who treets and wins and the ones that dont treet and thare birds immune systems are ok and win are better of all roads lead to rome but i would say thare more top flyers that treat than ones that dont but wet canker treatment is a must and the spores of mouldie s h i t is a killer that leads to a lot of problems

agree with you Tam but dont think other fliers should knock the way others go about treating there doos as long as they are healthy. If something works for you and if that means treating blind then whats the problem???and it doesn't cost you anything to ask someone for advice until they tell you see a vet :emoticon-0126-nerd:

[Wiley]

why would you need to swab them all ?????? they all live as a flock a colony all exposed to same treatment , management and water supply and challenges to there health , it's well known most ailments are passed through the water or via there excrement or via the loft environment so as a whole one bird any random bird will represent the good or bad within the flock no-one would be able to afford to test every individual of there loft . All your doing is getting a good reference from the droppings of the whole loft and swabs from one , remember 99% of the time I'm testing healthy robust birds with good management . It's like this when they test food many different ingredients in a stew but they test a sample as everything in same pot has had same exposure and pose the same risk , you can buy a cake but I'm sure to eat the full cake would give you belly ache , but one slice will represent the cake as is consistent throughout , same for my birds One bird represents my colony's health worked for many years and will work for many more

 

Early you refered to human terms you wouldn't take a headache pill for a headache you didn't have, so well go along your lines, in my family home at one time we had 8 of us living there all being fed the same, watered the same, and we mixed with the same people, the only difference was our healths. However we were from the same pack, so in your perspective we all should have had the same health am I right?

[delboy74]

Early you refered to human terms you wouldn't take a headache pill for a headache you didn't have, so well go along your lines, in my family home at one time we had 8 of us living there all being fed the same, watered the same, and we mixed with the same people, the only difference was our healths. However we were from the same pack, so in your perspective we all should have had the same health am I right?

good point heres another you think the doo might have canker so you now need to gather up all the droppings take the swab test send it away, wait for the results then order the medication you need if you can get it from a shop if not you then need to visit a vet get your prescription surely by this time the canker will be rife throught the loft :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[Guest KING BILLY]

agree with you Tam but dont think other fliers should knock the way others go about treating there doos as long as they are healthy. If something works for you and if that means treating blind then whats the problem???and it doesn't cost you anything to ask someone for advice until they tell you see a vet :emoticon-0126-nerd:

spot on mate

[OLDYELLOW]

Early you refered to human terms you wouldn't take a headache pill for a headache you didn't have, so well go along your lines, in my family home at one time we had 8 of us living there all being fed the same, watered the same, and we mixed with the same people, the only difference was our healths. However we were from the same pack, so in your perspective we all should have had the same health am I right?

No as were all genetically different some will be stronger than others some weaker two dwarfs can have a healthy normal child and two normal adults could have a dwarf child , and with age your immune system gets stronger then as you get older weakens again so somewhere in the middle you'd be at your prime , but genes can make you either weak or strong , jmo

[OLDYELLOW]

So why waste money testing healthy birds??

To detect anything that may need monitoring canker levels may be high , worms may be present , e.coli may be high , bad bug build up , why do people go for health tests ???? purely to detect any abnormalities , then you can proceed knowing your birds are healthy

[OLDYELLOW]

good point heres another you think the doo might have canker so you now need to gather up all the droppings take the swab test send it away, wait for the results then order the medication you need if you can get it from a shop if not you then need to visit a vet get your prescription surely by this time the canker will be rife throught the loft :emoticon-0138-thinking:

20 minutes from vets no waiting about treatment immediate and if went through birds that quick then surely the weakness is within the flock already probably by been propped up with medication junkies don't run marathons