tyson Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 I am the same as your self I call a spade a spade but im afraid alot of people dont like that
Guest IB Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 I was on the management committee last year and can assure you of 2 things. Firstly, i am made no more wiser than you and have no more information than you on ANY race good or bad!!!! Secondly, i Don't do Party Line, i say it as i see it or as i know it to be, like it or lump it. So your post is out of order and you aught to give more credit to men who are doing a job 99% of the members wouldn't do. John, the person I spoke to on what 'probably' went wrong at Bourges, was the Vice-President, not long after the race, and it was he who mentioned the thundery weather conditions that prevailed in the days before liberation. As he was a member of the Management team, I took it he was giving me the official view of what probably went wrong. Then at the last AGM the President told the meeting about the Bourges liberation decision, and also that he felt that it was wrong. So when I say the Management, I meant him and his team. I think it highly unlikely that the real probable cause wasn't known when it became clear that the race was turning into a disaster. From what you say, that information wasn't known amongst the Committee in the days following the race. If that's so, then there's surely something wrong with the management style. Perhaps some in the know, and others not, even the Vice-President. I remember too that someone dropped a hint of it in a post on here, which I must admit I dismissed as stirring at the time. Now I'm not so sure, and I can't remember who posted it up - but they got that from someone.
JohnQuinn Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 John, the person I spoke to on what 'probably' went wrong at Bourges, was the Vice-President, not long after the race, and it was he who mentioned the thundery weather conditions that prevailed in the days before liberation. As he was a member of the Management team, I took it he was giving me the official view of what probably went wrong. Then at the last AGM the President told the meeting about the Bourges liberation decision, and also that he felt that it was wrong. So when I say the Management, I meant him and his team. I think it highly unlikely that the real probable cause wasn't known when it became clear that the race was turning into a disaster. From what you say, that information wasn't known amongst the Committee in the days following the race. If that's so, then there's surely something wrong with the management style. Perhaps some in the know, and others not, even the Vice-President. I remember too that someone dropped a hint of it in a post on here, which I must admit I dismissed as stirring at the time. Now I'm not so sure, and I can't remember who posted it up - but they got that from someone. I suggest that in future you refrain from using the term Management and Name exactly who you are referring to, instead of making out that the management committee en-mass are involved in some sort of conspiracy to keep the members in the dark about race outcomes, i would NOT be party to anything of the sort.
knoxjn Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 in the mid nineties i wrote to the then committee of the to create a post to forward the snfc get into schools and colleges to push the sport the young people then still remembered the pigeon man that used to be down the road i even asked for the clubs to be contacted to find out why they would not join the national i didnt even get as much as a nod they had even read the letter i even designed a proper air con system for the then est of scotland transporter and was wiling to install myself foc but as told we dont need any of that sort if nonsense trying to instigate change with people who are entrenched cause weve always done it like that is impossible
Guest IB Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 I suggest that in future you refrain from using the term Management and Name exactly who you are referring to, instead of making out that the management committee en-mass are involved in some sort of conspiracy to keep the members in the dark about race outcomes, i would NOT be party to anything of the sort. Just back from Bo'ness marking station. Speaking to Dr Lynch he tells me that there's to be an enquiry into Messac race. Gathering written evidence at moment, and members will be informed by letter of the outcome. Only Messac pigeon reported so far was from Jersey, Channel Islands.
frank-123 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Posted June 29, 2011 Just back from Bo'ness marking station. Speaking to Dr Lynch he tells me that there's to be an enquiry into Messac race. Gathering written evidence at moment, and members will be informed by letter of the outcome. Only Messac pigeon reported so far was from Jersey, Channel Islands. Will members of the Snfc be able to attend and should someone neutral not be asked to conduct an enquiry ?
Delboy Posted June 29, 2011 Report Posted June 29, 2011 Just back from Bo'ness marking station. Speaking to Dr Lynch he tells me that there's to be an enquiry into Messac race. Gathering written evidence at moment, and members will be informed by letter of the outcome. Only Messac pigeon reported so far was from Jersey, Channel Islands. Very good , Dr Lynch is a very forward thinking man and believes in transparency within the SNFC.
JohnQuinn Posted June 30, 2011 Report Posted June 30, 2011 Just back from Bo'ness marking station. Speaking to Dr Lynch he tells me that there's to be an enquiry into Messac race. Gathering written evidence at moment, and members will be informed by letter of the outcome. Only Messac pigeon reported so far was from Jersey, Channel Islands. Well there you are Ian, your more informed than me, as i know nowt about any enquiry
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 1, 2011 Report Posted July 1, 2011 Well there you are Ian, your more informed than me, as i know nowt about any enquiry
frank-123 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Posted July 1, 2011 Well there you are Ian, your more informed than me, as i know nowt about any enquiry Just shows how badly it is run I sent an email three days ago asking for there thought on an enquiry still no reply so I will follow it up today with snail mail as I forgot the letter to hand it to mr graven last night at marking
Delboy Posted July 1, 2011 Report Posted July 1, 2011 Just back from Bo'ness marking station. Speaking to Dr Lynch he tells me that there's to be an enquiry into Messac race. Gathering written evidence at moment, and members will be informed by letter of the outcome. Only Messac pigeon reported so far was from Jersey, Channel Islands. Just got one from Messac reported in Otterburn, hawked.Poor wee thing tried its best
frank-123 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Posted July 14, 2011 According to the letters page in the bhw this week Mr Paul Osborne the snfc contact on the island of Alderney in the English channel has said "someone on a snfc website?? was blaming him and the liberator for bad weather reporting" anyone else seen comments like that ?
dal2 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 According to the letters page in the bhw this week Mr Paul Osborne the snfc contact on the island of Alderney in the English channel has said "someone on a snfc website?? was blaming him and the liberator for bad weather reporting" anyone else seen comments like that ?SNFC website?Wus he on the libline?Joe Murphys already had the enquiry has he not?Seems Messac is TOOOOOOO FAR WEST!!!
Guest IB Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 According to the letters page in the bhw this week Mr Paul Osborne the snfc contact on the island of Alderney in the English channel has said "someone on a snfc website?? was blaming him and the liberator for bad weather reporting" anyone else seen comments like that ? Not on SNFC website, and not the words used on this thread - remember he couldn't access it - but the gist is the same, there were allegations on here that Messac birds were liberated while there was fog in the channel. The guys on Alderney & Guernsey told us visibility from these islands was 20 miles, and Dr Lynch told me when verifying my Tours pigeon that both men had reported that to the Inquiry A new piece of evidence (for me anyway) is that they also reported peregrines are now resident on the islands and these have been seen attacking racers crossing the channel. When you relate that to what is said about peregrines at Portland (where some on here forecast that this would be the line the Messac pigeons would take), that could have been a major factor in our losses.
JADE Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 have said all along it was something unforeseen and not weather related which was the cause. if it was weather there would be far more birds turning up. do we actually know how many are home. as part of the enquiry it should not be difficult to contact each competing member and ask how many of their birds have returned.
frank-123 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Posted July 14, 2011 Not on SNFC website, and not the words used on this thread - remember he couldn't access it - but the gist is the same, there were allegations on here that Messac birds were liberated while there was fog in the channel. The guys on Alderney & Guernsey told us visibility from these islands was 20 miles, and Dr Lynch told me when verifying my Tours pigeon that both men had reported that to the Inquiry A new piece of evidence (for me anyway) is that they also reported peregrines are now resident on the islands and these have been seen attacking racers crossing the channel. When you relate that to what is said about peregrines at Portland (where some on here forecast that this would be the line the Messac pigeons would take), that could have been a major factor in our losses. Rene told me there was fog on the channel that's why i started the thread and rene did not retract his statement of fog on the channel if you look back the threads are you saying he has done that to the snfc enquiry?not once did anyone bad mouth Paul Osborne nor Jim Hannah or any of the race control team i will post the thread to Paul if i get a chance tomorrow just so he knows what was said or not said on here
Guest bigda Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Rene told me there was fog on the channel that's why i started the thread and rene did not retract his statement of fog on the channel if you look back the threads are you saying he has done that to the snfc enquiry?not once did anyone bad mouth Paul Osborne nor Jim Hannah or any of the race control team i will post the thread to Paul if i get a chance tomorrow just so he knows what was said or not said on herewould agree with you there frank, only this once mind
Guest rene Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Not on SNFC website, and not the words used on this thread - remember he couldn't access it - but the gist is the same, there were allegations on here that Messac birds were liberated while there was fog in the channel. The guys on Alderney & Guernsey told us visibility from these islands was 20 miles, and Dr Lynch told me when verifying my Tours pigeon that both men had reported that to the Inquiry A new piece of evidence (for me anyway) is that they also reported peregrines are now resident on the islands and these have been seen attacking racers crossing the channel. When you relate that to what is said about peregrines at Portland (where some on here forecast that this would be the line the Messac pigeons would take), that could have been a major factor in our losses. where the hell did they get the perigrine bit from as i certainly did NOT and have NOTsay this in my Email to the Enquiry i never even got contacted to say they had recieved my Email for the enqiry it sounds too me that someone is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes on this here is a copy of the E-mail i sent for the enquiry can some one please tell me where in the E-mail did i mention about perigrines i'm NOT happy one flammin bit with them saying that i have said this when its false.I have NEVER seen an attack over the sea by a BOP So tell me WHAT the @#@# is going on rene archer to a.garven53 show details Jul 1 (13 days ago) Dear Mr.Garven My name is Mr. Archer and im the Guernsey liberator.I've been asked by Mr.Ian Brown to give an account of the weather conditions around the Channel Islands. The weather in and around Guernsey was nice and fine i had a 20 mile visibility from Guernsey right up to Alderney and down as far as Jersey i was told that there was thick fog coming in from Falmmouth into Portland and there was fog banks through out the day . The Irish liberation was held over due to averse weather conditions from what I've been told. I was informed that there was a liberation of about 20,000 + birds due to race into Germany,Holland and Belgium but unfortunately i have not been able to find out anymore information on this. I have been in toutch with Mr.Paul Osbourn of Alderney and has asked me to give you his number if you wish for him to give you his account of the weather conditions at the time here it is telephone Hope this is of some help in to what could of gone wrong with the liberation
Guest stb- Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 where the hell did they get the perigrine bit from as i certainly did NOT and have NOTsay this in my Email to the Enquiry i never even got contacted to say they had recieved my Email for the enqiry it sounds too me that someone is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes on this here is a copy of the E-mail i sent for the enquiry can some one please tell me where in the E-mail did i mention about perigrines i'm NOT happy one flammin bit with them saying that i have said this when its false.I have NEVER seen an attack over the sea by a BOP So tell me WHAT the @#@# is going on rene archer to a.garven53 show details Jul 1 (13 days ago) Dear Mr.Garven My name is Mr. Archer and im the Guernsey liberator.I've been asked by Mr.Ian Brown to give an account of the weather conditions around the Channel Islands. The weather in and around Guernsey was nice and fine i had a 20 mile visibility from Guernsey right up to Alderney and down as far as Jersey i was told that there was thick fog coming in from Falmmouth into Portland and there was fog banks through out the day . The Irish liberation was held over due to averse weather conditions from what I've been told. I was informed that there was a liberation of about 20,000 + birds due to race into Germany,Holland and Belgium but unfortunately i have not been able to find out anymore information on this. I have been in toutch with Mr.Paul Osbourn of Alderney and has asked me to give you his number if you wish for him to give you his account of the weather conditions at the time here it is telephone Hope this is of some help in to what could of gone wrong with the liberationYIP DONT SEE ANY MENTION OF PERCIE IN YOUR REPORT THERE M8 ,, IS THERE PEREGRINES ON YOUR ISLAMD RENE ?????
Guest rene Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 YIP DONT SEE ANY MENTION OF PERCIE IN YOUR REPORT THERE M8 ,, IS THERE PEREGRINES ON YOUR ISLAMD RENE ????? yes mate there is but as you can see i NEVER said there was and NEVER said i had seen any attacks from them mate i am totaly peed off and certainly thinking of taking this matter up With the my union with referance to them giving FALSE wording of what has actualy been said by myself. I cant speak for MR.Osbourn as i dont know what his report had in it BUT i am not happy about this one bit mate i think their trying to cover something up here and trying to put the buck somewhere else.
frank-123 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Posted July 15, 2011 I have printed the threads off and will post them to Mr Osbourn today so he can see what was said on this website regarding the messac race
Guest IB Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 where the hell did they get the perigrine bit from as i certainly did NOT and have NOTsay this in my Email to the Enquiry i never even got contacted to say they had recieved my Email for the enqiry it sounds too me that someone is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes on this here is a copy of the E-mail i sent for the enquiry can some one please tell me where in the E-mail did i mention about perigrines i'm NOT happy one flammin bit with them saying that i have said this when its false.I have NEVER seen an attack over the sea by a BOP So tell me WHAT the @#@# is going on rene archer to a.garven53 show details Jul 1 (13 days ago) Dear Mr.Garven My name is Mr. Archer and im the Guernsey liberator.I've been asked by Mr.Ian Brown to give an account of the weather conditions around the Channel Islands. The weather in and around Guernsey was nice and fine i had a 20 mile visibility from Guernsey right up to Alderney and down as far as Jersey i was told that there was thick fog coming in from Falmmouth into Portland and there was fog banks through out the day . The Irish liberation was held over due to averse weather conditions from what I've been told. I was informed that there was a liberation of about 20,000 + birds due to race into Germany,Holland and Belgium but unfortunately i have not been able to find out anymore information on this. I have been in toutch with Mr.Paul Osbourn of Alderney and has asked me to give you his number if you wish for him to give you his account of the weather conditions at the time here it is telephone Hope this is of some help in to what could of gone wrong with the liberation Hi Rene, as per my pm, I looked at my post again and apologise for the use of 'they' in the bit about the peregrines, which came to me from Dr Lynch. Initially he said SNFC had contacted 'our contact on Alderney' (Paul) and got confirmation of 20 miles visibility from him. After that I was told 'they' said peregrines were now resident on Channel Islands, which attacked racers going over. I knew you were also contributing to the Inquiry as I'd told Dr Lynch weeks earlier what you had posted here, and as he said SNFC would only accept written submissions, I asked you to contact the SNFC direct with any information about conditions that day. So I assumed when Dr Lynch said 'they' he meant Paul & yourself. I had used both of your names when speaking with Dr Lynch, on both occasions.
Guest rene Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Hi Rene, as per my pm, I looked at my post again and apologise for the use of 'they' in the bit about the peregrines, which came to me from Dr Lynch. Initially he said SNFC had contacted 'our contact on Alderney' (Paul) and got confirmation of 20 miles visibility from him. After that I was told 'they' said peregrines were now resident on Channel Islands, which attacked racers going over. I knew you were also contributing to the Inquiry as I'd told Dr Lynch weeks earlier what you had posted here, and as he said SNFC would only accept written submissions, I asked you to contact the SNFC direct with any information about conditions that day. So I assumed when Dr Lynch said 'they' he meant Paul & yourself. I had used both of your names when speaking with Dr Lynch, on both occasions. Hi IB thank you for clearing that up its much appricated as you can see i had sent an E-mail for the Enquiry but they never got back to me sayin that it would be written submissions only that would be exepted had i of known this i would of wrtten a letter i have sent another E-mail asking if they had recived it but have not had a reply as yet thank you againg for correcting what had been said Yours in sport Rene
Guest IB Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Hi IB thank you for clearing that up its much appricated as you can see i had sent an E-mail for the Enquiry but they never got back to me sayin that it would be written submissions only that would be exepted had i of known this i would of wrtten a letter i have sent another E-mail asking if they had recived it but have not had a reply as yet thank you againg for correcting what had been said Yours in sport Rene No problem. I think an email is a written submission. Thanks again for sending it in.
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