Snfc Marlborough Verdict

[blaz]

hear is a link i got from brian massay worth a look

 

http://solar-center....er/pigeons.html

[b.massey]

http://solar-center....er/pigeons.html

http://sidc.oma.be/index.php

Very good reading. Is it coincidence or there a good bit to look into this

[Guest bigda]

what ever happened, it happened inside the first hour, as the birds where set for home.

its a known fact that there are 1500 pairs of peregrine in the lake district thats 3000 bop all wanting one to eat, just say they kill one each, and injure 1 each on the day, add to that the birds that high tailed it into trees, that would mean on a big fed or national, of 7,000 birds it is possible that there are only 600 birds home in any given week if you happen to be in the wrong area scary stuff

[novo10]

what ever happened, it happened inside the first hour, as the birds where set for home.

its a known fact that there are 1500 pairs of peregrine in the lake district thats 3000 bop all wanting one to eat, just say they kill one each, and injure 1 each on the day, add to that the birds that high tailed it into trees, that would mean on a big fed or national, of 7,000 birds it is possible that there are only 600 birds home in any given week if you happen to be in the wrong area scary stuff

danny as i keep telling you dont blame bop for yesterdays race theyre just as much bop on eastcoast mate

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

hear is a link i got from brian massay worth a look

 

http://solar-center....er/pigeons.html

 

Good link Gary that explains quite well to fanciers with little knowledge of the K Index.

 

 

Worth a read below

 

http://pesn.com/2011/03/12/9501786_Japans_Record_Quake_Corresponds_to_Sun_Flare/

 

http://www.space.com/11506-space-weather-sunspots-solar-flares-coronal-mass-ejections.html

[Guest IB]

I had conversations with Bilco on this several years ago both on here and in BHW. I think we agreed to disagree on it.

 

IMO, this theory is flawed as

 

(1) the technology has been taken out of context (its purpose is to predict and produce space weather reports for Astonauts working out in Space) and applied to yet another theory that birds navigate using the earth’s magnetic fields. I think that pigeon fanciers already know that birds must use a number of skills to get home, and can and do switch between them to overcome any conditions they might meet on the way. Our birds do this every race day, because there are magnetic anomolies all over Britain which distort the magnetic fields (down here at the level our birds are flying at) and they are required to navigate them. These anomolies don’t come from Space, their source is right here on Planet Earth – they are caused by different rock formations lying deep underground. NE England and Scottish Borders are good examples.

 

(2) Planet Earth has its own protection from the worst Solar storms, the magnetosphere, which is the upper reaches of the earths magnetic fields reaching far into Space. It’s a giant shield 50 or so miles above us, and deflects Solar Wind Radiation around us and out into Space. Look at the graphic which explains it far better than I can :-

 

http://www.universetoday.com/27005/earths-magnetic-field/

 

and finally (3) Solar Radiation is energy. The law of conservation of energy is a law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in a system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy. The different layers of Earth’s atmosphere are a system, so that law applies here. No further energy can be added to it (created). All that can happen is the type of energy changes. IMO that’s what the Auroras are – they are said to be caused by the magnetosphere interacting with Solar Winds - magnetic radiation energy changing to light energy – into something that can be seen from down here on the ground – i.e. the Auroras high in the skies above the Northern & Southern Poles.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

 

I’ve no doubt the sun influences earth’s weather. But we get daily weather reports and forecasts that warn us up to 5 days in advance. So we all knew what the weather conditions were going to be like before we sent our pigeons racing last weekend.

[tyson]

I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and at the marking I spoke to some fanciers about what I feared may happen as this was the farthest west that most of the convoy had been for a long time that the n/east wind which was between 10/12mph at liberation that the birds could head into wales and probably ireland and believe birds are getting reported in these areas my opinion is if we are flying down the east route we have to keep our pigeons on a simalar line this moving race points here there and every where is no good we have to get stability in the race programes and I believe this needs to happen for sake of the pigeons jmo

[novo10]

I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and at the marking I spoke to some fanciers about what I feared may happen as this was the farthest west that most of the convoy had been for a long time that the n/east wind which was between 10/12mph at liberation that the birds could head into wales and probably ireland and believe birds are getting reported in these areas my opinion is if we are flying down the east route we have to keep our pigeons on a simalar line this moving race points here there and every where is no good we have to get stability in the race programes and I believe this needs to happen for sake of the pigeons jmo

what about feds that race west or is it just for the boys in the east

[thunderbigbaws]

I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and at the marking I spoke to some fanciers about what I feared may happen as this was the farthest west that most of the convoy had been for a long time that the n/east wind which was between 10/12mph at liberation that the birds could head into wales and probably ireland and believe birds are getting reported in these areas my opinion is if we are flying down the east route we have to keep our pigeons on a simalar line this moving race points here there and every where is no good we have to get stability in the race programes and I believe this needs to happen for sake of the pigeons jmo

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well said that man the birds must come first

[tyson]

you have to go with the majority and if the majority of the feds are flying east thenthat is the route we should be flying

[novo10]

you have to go with the majority and if the majority of the feds are flying east thenthat is the route we should be flying

well that is why we flew marlborough because it was passed at meeting and we race every week down thewest

[novo10]

you have to go with the majority and if the majority of the feds are flying east thenthat is the route we should be flying

if we had went to eastbourne on saturday the doos would still have made theyre way over the west but here any east in the wind just dont liberate lol

[Delboy]

This is the worst Inland national we have had with the SNFC.A *expletive removed* disaster and I reckon only 20% of the birds home.

[novo10]

This is the worst Inland national we have had with the SNFC.A *expletive removed* disaster and I reckon only 20% of the birds home.

ur right derek we still have 15 to come out of 27

[jonl6280]

This is the worst Inland national we have had with the SNFC.A *expletive removed* disaster and I reckon only 20% of the birds home.

 

was looking forward to the first national all last week then bang - crappy day, crap returns on the shift, and the fed was just as bad ,

how many birds do you think were timed on the night?

[Guest bigda]

danny as i keep telling you don't blame bop for yesterdays race they're just as much bop on east coast mate

sorry you don't see it as is, but the 3000

i am talking about are only the ones that hang out at the solway ,just they 3,000 and if i say they eat once a day is there any fed going to be getting many birds home, this is happening every time we cross the border this, ain't no sun spot its a frigging killing spot. do you think the doos, that every one tell you that made it late, with feathers missing

are saying this for the good of there own health, these birds that did make it if could speak, will tell we where lucky others are not, there are to many casualty's

to say other wise, the birds are frightened out there brains. just as you would be should a lion be let loos in a park and you have 200 yards to run to find a hiding place. that one lion could split 100,000 guys in the park, just like 1 peregrine can do to a federation never mind thousands having a go

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

The more I hear of the racing that other organisations had on Saturday the more I believe that the race point and wind had absolutley he haw to with this disaster,

[geordie1234]

The more I hear of the racing that other organisations had on Saturday the more I believe that the race point and wind had absolutley he haw to with this disaster,

Seems eveywhere had a terrible day

[Guest bigda]

would the fanciers, put up how many birds

that came back from there races, with cuts

feathers missing and then a total of them

would the fanciers then say its the same hawk that attacked them all and i am talking about every race in the uk i think if we totted this up, it would frighten you all

[abbeypap]

going by the emails and phone calls I have dealt with over the last 48 hours the pigeons from all the liberation points are scattered to the four winds. Had them reported to us from Bournemouth, Lisburn, Banff, Wrexham and everywhere in between. We were one of the luckier lofts we got 1 on the day and 2 next am, so 100% returns. Other members of our club and fed not so lucky.

[tyson]

could be one of these strange phenomans that happen with no explanation if you remember back to last year a similar thing happened with the young birds the first week in august when practilly every fed in scotland that day got a bad race with a lot of youngsters missing we will probably never know the answer maybe somebody does like bigda???

[budgie]

The more I hear of the racing that other organisations had on Saturday the more I believe that the race point and wind had absolutley he haw to with this disaster,

 

How was your returns from both race points into Lanarkshire?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

How was your returns from both race points into Lanarkshire?

Hi Andy

 

Got 10/15 from Peterborough.

And got 2 from 9 sent to Marlborough, nothing since 18.04 that night with 7 experienced doos to come the 2 that i timed have the least experience.

 

ps

what kind of race did you get yourself from Marlborough??

[budgie]

Hi Andy

 

Got 10/15 from Peterborough.

And got 2 from 9 sent to Marlborough, nothing since 18.04 that night with 7 experienced doos to come the 2 that i timed have the least experience.

 

ps

what kind of race did you get yourself from Marlborough??

 

Got 2/4 @16.53 &17.27 just to late.What time do you think the tickets will go to?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Got 2/4 @16.53 &17.27 just to late.What time do you think the tickets will go to?

 

Would guess around 19.00 - 19.30 in central Lanarkshire, hard race to judge though.