Not Good Sign!

February 9, 2011

Had to kill 3 birds in the last week and a half ...all showed symtoms of struggling to fly ...only 1 had a swolen wing joint ...So suspecting Paratyphoid ...and since i dont treat my birds with medication no more i thought it best to just kill all birds that show these signs , just goes to show how inefectve vaccines are or maybe its just the imune systems of certain birds arent as strong as others .

greenlands · February 9, 2011

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, probably the one that doesn't show any signs of para. is a carrier.

If life was only that simple.

Lindsay

dal2 · February 9, 2011

Treat them now!!!

February 9, 2011

If the birds have been vaccinated against paratyphoid, then I'd suspect something else is behind the symptoms. There is only one way to find out for sure and that is take the next bird that shows the symptoms to a vet for euthanising & autopsy.

frank-123 · February 9, 2011

Had to kill 3 birds in the last week and a half ...all showed symtoms of struggling to fly ...only 1 had a swolen wing joint ...So suspecting Paratyphoid ...and since i dont treat my birds with medication no more i thought it best to just kill all birds that show these signs , just goes to show how inefectve vaccines are or maybe its just the imune systems of certain birds arent as strong as others .

on your post you said you never treat but say how ineffective the vaccines are

did you use a vaccine?

yeboah · February 9, 2011

Had to kill 3 birds in the last week and a half ...all showed symtoms of struggling to fly ...only 1 had a swolen wing joint ...So suspecting Paratyphoid ...and since i dont treat my birds with medication no more i thought it best to just kill all birds that show these signs , just goes to show how inefectve vaccines are or maybe its just the imune systems of certain birds arent as strong as others .

Any chance mice have been entering the loft or any chance mice have access to feeding store ?

OLDYELLOW · February 9, 2011

If the birds have been vaccinated against paratyphoid, then I'd suspect something else is behind the symptoms. There is only one way to find out for sure and that is take the next bird that shows the symptoms to a vet for euthanising & autopsy.

i thought if treated they get exposed to either live or dead paratyphoid , and also shed via droppings , also would like to know had they been treated for paratyphoid

Tony C · February 9, 2011

Not necessarily Paratyphoid, read swilcox post on this thread http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/36799-stiff-wings/page__p__557147__hl__wing__fromsearch__1&?do=findComment&comment=557147

February 10, 2011

Had to kill 3 birds in the last week and a half ...all showed symtoms of struggling to fly ...only 1 had a swolen wing joint ...So suspecting Paratyphoid ...and since i dont treat my birds with medication no more i thought it best to just kill all birds that show these signs , just goes to show how inefectve vaccines are or maybe its just the imune systems of certain birds arent as strong as others .

if you suspect anymore going down with this symptom then i would stress that you need to see a vet with a bird thats having these symptoms, do not take a dead bird..also take droppings from different area,s of the loft not just off this bird.

but if you have some amoxicillin(leave baytril alone) then treat them with this...flock treat...treating one bird thats affected is ok but how do you know that others aint got it but at an earlier stage of it.

remember...the main cause of infection passing on is the drinker!

are the droppings similar to this?

Tony C · February 10, 2011

Had to kill 3 birds in the last week and a half ...all showed symtoms of struggling to fly ...only 1 had a swolen wing joint ...So suspecting Paratyphoid ...and since i dont treat my birds with medication no more i thought it best to just kill all birds that show these signs , just goes to show how inefectve vaccines are or maybe its just the imune systems of certain birds arent as strong as others .

Should it be Paratyphoid eliminating those showing signs of it isn't a sure way of eradicating it from your lofts. The problem being pigeons can harbor Paratyphoid without ever showing any signs, these are carriers and can pass it on. I suggest you take professorial advice, a good place to start would be to contact http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/user/2567-david-vet/

I'm all for natural immunity but some diseases cant be left to run its course............. Paratyphoid is one of them.

Hope you get it sorted.

February 10, 2011

cheers guys for the advice , much appreciasted ...droppings i must say are all fine not that thats in anyway a sign of good health ...no more signs as of today ..had all the birds out and they are flying well ...i will keep a close eye out for anymore ..but i refuse to start popping tablets or medicating the birds ...last time i done that i made the situation worse and ended up lossing 45 birds , im certainly not going threw that again .

gulkie · February 11, 2011

am I missing something here U don't treat for para yet u sound

surprised when U think U got it :emoticon-0138-thinking:

geordie1234 · February 11, 2011

cheers guys for the advice , much appreciasted ...droppings i must say are all fine not that thats in anyway a sign of good health ...no more signs as of today ..had all the birds out and they are flying well ...i will keep a close eye out for anymore ..but i refuse to start popping tablets or medicating the birds ...last time i done that i made the situation worse and ended up lossing 45 birds , im certainly not going threw that again .

hope you sort things out peter mate