frank-123 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Jock Alston has a bit of that blood in his loft Mason sure he got them birds from Greenock via Owen mcivor
lanarkshire lad Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Jock Alston has a bit of that blood in his loft Mason sure he got them birds from Greenock via Owen mcivorIS it possible mcivor grizzles were Deans doos??? I didnae know mcivor had grizzles but again iam not familiar with mcivor doos.
frank-123 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 IS it possible mcivor grizzles were Deans doos??? I didnae know mcivor had grizzles but again iam not familiar with mcivor doos.. I am sure jock told me where he got them but were related to mcivor pigeons he looks in here I am sure he will correct me if am wrong
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Were the McIvor Bros. farmers or am i wrong?
lanarkshire lad Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Were the McIvor Bros. farmers or am i wrong?Dont no they were Farmers? there big pal Isaih Stewart was a farmer i think?.They used to judge at uddingston Shows years ago big Isaiah always smelt of cows Dung so i am putting 2 and 2 together.
budgie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Posted January 20, 2011 Maybe Gareth Rankin could answer that question better then me as i am not all that familiar with the family,but i do remember masons 1210 mentioned also the Bailleston Grizzles from way back and nimmo from newarthill. Wait till the night and i will give you the pedigree of REF G and the Grizzles we bought at Andra,s sale.
lanarkshire lad Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Wait till the night and i will give you the pedigree of REF G and the Grizzles we bought at Andra,s sale.Good stuff andy.
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Dont no they were Farmers? there big pal Isaih Stewart was a farmer i think?.They used to judge at uddingston Shows years ago big Isaiah always smelt of cows Dung so i am putting 2 and 2 together.
Guest KING BILLY Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 HiWhere did Andrews grizzels come from ?The reason I ask this question is I attendedthe late Owen McIvors sale in Carnwath and Andrew and Ian MacDonough bought nearly everygrizzel in the saleCheersHomer 49lets not get mixed up her about A DEANS doos and JIM CULLEN doos jim has bean one of the most consistent national men in the west of scotland i can remember his own family of doos are second to none if you look at his open results in the past 10 year thare all thare and i think he has had more tickets in the first 10 in the west section than any one els so lets not get mixed up go on the SNFC result thare all thare his own famlie of doos so credet whare credet is due he has also been responsible for given good doos to others that have ither breed doos or scored themselfe budgy can tell you this
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Maybe Gareth Rankin could answer that question better then me as i am not all that familiar with the family,but i do remember masons 1210 mentioned also the Bailleston Grizzles from way back and nimmo from newarthill.Yes Andra's family go back to Nimos Bent Lad the SNFC 1952 gold cup winner along with Willie Wilson and McIvor Bloodlines, like many of the top fanciers Andra was nit shy to try a few crosses with local long distance Fanciers.
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Wait till the night and i will give you the pedigree of REF G and the Grizzles we bought at Andra,s sale.The Grand Dam of ref G was bred by ourselves, this Red Griz hen was bred from Red Rocket our gold award winner when paired to our old Grizzle hen which was gifted to us by Andra in 1983, this hen was a very good racer but more importantly she left a line of very good long distance pigeons. Look forward to being refreshed with the remaining pedigree.
hotrod Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Jock Alston has a bit of that blood in his loft Mason sure he got them birds from Greenock via Owen mcivorjock bought a couple of mason doos at the late dougie blackwood of johnstone,s sale a few years back ,he told me he quite fancied a couple of grizzles not sure if it was for him or isobel though.
Guest KING BILLY Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 dont no why pep on her going on about other mens doos it should be jims doos were talking about give the man the credit he deserves he has also brout in crosses into his own family of doos but looking throw the thread its made out to be A DEANS THIS MCKIVER BROTHERS THAT all great men of the past but a bit far frome the trouth about jims doos hes on the basics i dair say if you pm him he will tell you whats what
budgie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Posted January 20, 2011 The Grizzle Cock Ref G Sire @ Dam were both bred by Andra.Sire Chq Pd G/sire was bred by Jim Hannah x 6084 which was one of Andras best hens being 2nd Sect 13th Open Sartilly 1991 and 37th Open Sartilly1993 which was Direct of the Ref A pair Pure Deans.Dam Red Grizzle (Stock)2491.G/sire Mealy Cock 9042 Son of Ref A pair Pure Deans xRed Grizzle 2423 bred By G.Rankin &Son daughter of Red Rocket xGrizzle which is also a G/Daughter of Red Rocket.As i have said before and as written on the pedigrees from Andra The very Best of West of Scotland SNFC Lines (ie) Deans/Hannah/Rankin Seven of the Eight G/Parents were all good winners the other one being a late breed 50% Deans 25% Hannah25%Rankin.
budgie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Posted January 20, 2011 dont no why pep on her going on about other mens doos it should be jims doos were talking about give the man the credit he deserves he has also brout in crosses into his own family of doos but looking throw the thread its made out to be A DEANS THIS MCKIVER BROTHERS THAT all great men of the past but a bit far frome the trouth about jims doos hes on the basics i dair say if you pm him he will tell you whats whatTam the guys were only asking and i mentioned Earlier the Blue Pd hen which also left its mark in Jims loft.Another good pigeon which left its mark was Ref C B,Chq hen 942 4 times a winner from the Channel.It was also paired up with a Blue Grizzle which was a egg gifted to Andra and was Direct son Westbound (Jun) 4 times winner from Nantes@Noirt x Grizzle hen.Such quality bloodlines bred by some of the best stockmen in the West of Scotland.
frank-123 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 dont no why pep on her going on about other mens doos it should be jims doos were talking about give the man the credit he deserves he has also brout in crosses into his own family of doos but looking throw the thread its made out to be A DEANS THIS MCKIVER BROTHERS THAT all great men of the past but a bit far frome the trouth about jims doos hes on the basics i dair say if you pm him he will tell you whats whatNothing wrong in talking about the lines of birds to jim cullens birds Think we all know how good a fancier he is but it goes to show he has class birds and the lines to prove the will last the test of time
Guest KING BILLY Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Nothing wrong in talking about the lines of birds to jim cullens birds Think we all know how good a fancier he is but it goes to show he has class birds and the lines to prove the will last the test of timeandy you have all the answers so tell us all what thay have left you must have stole his stock book along with the eggs
budgie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Posted January 20, 2011 andy you have all the answers so tell us all what thay have left you must have stole his stock book along with the eggsIts all in the Pedigrees and its time you were in bed Big Laugh Get Aff.See you tommorrow at 11.00 am aff tae the Bellend to wet the weans heed.
Rebus Posted January 20, 2011 Report Posted January 20, 2011 Its all in the Pedigrees and its time you were in bed Big Laugh Get Aff.See you tommorrow at 11.00 am aff tae the Bellend to wet the weans heed.yes i bought a grizzle cock at the late D Blackwoods clearance sale, the reason i went to this sale was because my wife was promised a pair of grizzles by a fancier from the Glasgow area two years previously when he came to collect a young bird we gifted him(still no sign of the promised grizzles after 4 years) i traced the origin of these grizzles, and it seems they are Bricouxs which originated from a Mr Copeland from Briech who i beleive was the grandfather of Dr Salmond from Shotts who also flies these grizzles. btw the first yb we bred from the cock we bought scored in the yb Nat 2009 and in 2010 another one scored and a bro. also timed on the day out of the seven birds we timed this year on the day four were bred from the grizzles including the nest mate of the dark cock you got Frank,however we have been lucky to acquire the sire and dam of the cock we bought at the sale through the kindness of a good friend of D.Blacwood.
frank-123 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 yes i bought a grizzle cock at the late D Blackwoods clearance sale which were advertised as Mason 1210s, the reason i went to this sale was because my wife was promised a pair of grizzles by a fancier from the Glasgow area two years previously when he came to collect a young bird we gifted him(still no sign of the promised grizzles after 4 years) i traced the origin of these grizzles, and it seems they are Bricouxs which originated from a Mr Copeland from Briech who i beleive was the grandfather of Dr Salmond from Shotts who also flies these grizzles. btw the first yb we bred from the cock we bought scored in the yb Nat 2009 and in 2010 another one scored and a bro. also timed on the day out of the seven birds we timed this year on the day four were bred from the grizzles including the nest mate of the dark cock you got Frank,however we have been lucky to acquire the sire and dam of the cock we bought at the sale through the kindness of a good friend of D.Blacwood. i have some crackers from you jock looking forward to see if i can do them justice in the next few years seems there is a link to old family's and some like me are chasing the foreign birds
lanarkshire lad Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 i have some crackers from you jock looking forward to see if i can do them justice in the next few years seems there is a link to old family's and some like me are chasing the foreign birdsNowt wrong with some of the foreign birds if you can get the right ones,also nowt wrong with old scottish birds if you can get the right ones also.
Rebus Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 good to know you are pleased with your yb,s Frank and are taking notice that some of the old strains which are all around our area are as good as you can get.With regard to the Mcivor grizzles i was a good friend of Peter Mcivor and went visiting lofts in the Solway and other places and got pigeons from him in the sixties and early seveties and the grizzles he had then originated from Berry a publican from Larkhall and he told me they were "Mason 12s", some of the older Larkhall members will probably know more about this, the pub was well known as Berries and may still be there
frank-123 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 good to know you are pleased with your yb,s Frank and are taking notice that some of the old strains which are all around our area are as good as you can get.With regard to the Mcivor grizzles i was a good friend of Peter Mcivor and went visiting lofts in the Solway and other places and got pigeons from him in the sixties and early seveties and the grizzles he had then originated from Berry a publican from Larkhall and he told me they were "Mason 12s", some of the older Larkhall members will probably know more about this, the pub was well known as Berries and may still be there The Berries hotel was up for sale not sure if it is still open hopefully be up your way soon pay you a visit for more advice Jimguess there is top foreign birds as well you can pm where to look when i visit Holland in march .
lanarkshire lad Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 The Berries hotel was up for sale not sure if it is still open hopefully be up your way soon pay you a visit for more advice Jimguess there is top foreign birds as well you can pm where to look when i visit Holland in march .I wish i knew where to find them.I would be there in feb before you get there.
geordie1234 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 So who's all going to this sale then might get to put a few faces to names???
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