Advice Please (White Spots)

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

I have been asked by a fancier friend who has no internet access to ask this question.

 

Does any one know what the little white spots are on certain birds at the back of there throat, i dont mean canker if the bird has it. He has had birds over the years and certain ones have these white spots, he has had them win for him over the years with these he has a theory that they are perhaps a sign of weakness in the strain or something similar but is far from certain.

 

If anyone has any ideas or theories on this please comment.

 

 

 

Thanks

[just ask me]

hard to tell without seeing them but my guess is these birds have been sick and these are stress like stress marks if they have not been treated all the better as they got over it naturally but usually a sign that antibiotics were used at sometime

 

 

as i say i could be talking about something different hard to tell without seeing

[lanarkshire lad]

I have been asked by a fancier friend who has no internet access to ask this question.

 

Does any one know what the little white spots are on certain birds at the back of there throat, i dont mean canker if the bird has it. He has had birds over the years and certain ones have these white spots, he has had them win for him over the years with these he has a theory that they are perhaps a sign of weakness in the strain or something similar but is far from certain.

 

If anyone has any ideas or theories on this please comment.

 

 

 

Thanks

Diptheria.The bird is over it when the spots appear.

[Guest geordiejen]

try looking on the chevita site mate.ive looked and its linked to saliva its unknown what exactly causes it but theirs no reason to treat and their is no treatment it wiill just go away itself through time.

[greenlands]

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/treatment-plan/information-salivarystones.php

 

Won't be far wrong mate.

[lanarkshire lad]

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/treatment-plan/information-salivarystones.php

 

Won't be far wrong mate.

theres a big difference from the roof of the mouth.Hes asking about the back of the throat.

[greenlands]

theres a big difference from the roof of the mouth.Hes asking about the back of the throat.

 

"roof of the mouth and particularly in the rear part".

 

 

Thought that might have covered the back of the throat.

Won't be the first time I've been wrong though.

 

I also found this on another site.

 

" Some of the racing pigeons in my loft have a white spot on the tonsil?

I have a problem with some of the racing pigeons in my loft. The problem is a white spot on the tonsil that sits on the floor of the windpipe. It's a raised white line at the entrance of the windpipe on the third tonsil. When pigeons in the loft have this condition, the losses are very heavy. Can you identify this disease and advise me of the appropriate medication to give the birds to eradicate this disease from my loft? I have tried doxycyclin - it keeps it at bay for a few weeks, but then it returns. I live in Western Australia and we have no avian vets here - we only have local vets which are mainly treating cats and dogs.

 

question by: George Azar

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, First of all you should treat your birds for canker or trichominiasis. Although the white spot isn't necessarily caused by trichomoniasis, it can certainly be the cause for lesser resistance in your birds. Further the spots you describe can be an indication for upper respiratory disease which is a multifactorial problem. In your case it could be helpful to treat the birds with antibiotics that are effective for respiratory diseases. Throat problems are usually well treated with lincomycine-spectinomycine, spiramycine (or tylosine) or erythromycine. It is also possible that herpes virus is complexing the problem. This disease can not be treated with antibiotics. In that case antibiotics only help for secundary bacterial infections. In either case is it advisable to never race a bird that is not completely healthy. Sometimes a longer recuperation can be more helpful for pigeon and fancier. Kind regards"

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

thanks alot guys im going to print all this out and give it to him and see what he makes of it.

[yeboah]

Diptheria.The bird is over it when the spots appear.

Just asked the wife if she's got any

[Guest IB]

Hadn't heard of the saliva stones 'theory' before, and that stumps me because the first question I ask myself is 'where are the pigeon's saliva glands?' and I don't know that. If I remember right, in humans they're under the tongue?

 

Last I'd noted (and accepted) was Wim Peter's opinion on white spots which he reckoned were leftovers from a previous infection, and nothing to worry about. He'd covered it in his book Fit to Win2, page 69, 2.6.3 'Spots on the curtain' and he says further research into the cause is needed.

 

In his Introduction, page 14, when he is talking about how much we do not yet know, he says 'controversy rages on over the presence of yellow / white spots in the back of the throat. First trich was blamed, then herpesvirus,and more recently concrements within the salivary glands. What they are and what causes them is still unknown.' (last sentence paraphrased, my words, not Wim's).

[aye ready]

Hadn't heard of the saliva stones 'theory' before, and that stumps me because the first question I ask myself is 'where are the pigeon's saliva glands?' and I don't know that. If I remember right, in humans they're under the tongue?

 

Last I'd noted (and accepted) was Wim Peter's opinion on white spots which he reckoned were leftovers from a previous infection, and nothing to worry about. He'd covered it in his book Fit to Win2, page 69, 2.6.3 'Spots on the curtain' and he says further research into the cause is needed.

 

In his Introduction, page 14, when he is talking about how much we do not yet know, he says 'controversy rages on over the presence of yellow / white spots in the back of the throat. First trich was blamed, then herpesvirus,and more recently concrements within the salivary glands. What they are and what causes them is still unknown.' (last sentence paraphrased, my words, not Wim's).

this is what i was always led to believe that it was some sort of scarring after infection open to different opinions tho'

[OLDYELLOW]

he could possibly needs some nystan for candia ( thrush ) , but he needs to see a vet who can properly diagnose

[Guest Dorset-lad]

hiya not sure if im going to make a fool of myself here but here goes. going back roughly 1979-80 i had a problem with white spots in the back of the throat with some of my birds i was told by an old hand who is no longer with us bless him to put half an asprin in the water for 2 to 3 days he thought it was thrush and i must say it worked i never had a problem with those birds again i thought ide put this across to see if anyone else has tried this all heared of it. hope this will help you.

Brian

[greenlands]

Brian ,you haven't made a fool of youself mate,I think all replies are good replies even if some leave you at amiss.If it worked for you it might work for others.

Like all problems with pigeons or any other animals a lot of the problems are lost in translation and the different ways people read the posts.

Good post mate.

PS. I've done the Asprin trick with tropical fish and I've also seen my late mother put one in among the flowers (vase)that were showing signs of dieing.I believe asprin is made from tree bark.

Most people on this one I think have gone for scar tissue from old illnesses which I think is just about SPOT on (excuse the pun)

[Guest Dorset-lad]

Brian ,you haven't made a fool of youself mate,I think all replies are good replies even if some leave you at amiss.If it worked for you it might work for others.

Like all problems with pigeons or any other animals a lot of the problems are lost in translation and the different ways people read the posts.

Good post mate.

PS. I've done the Asprin trick with tropical fish and I've also seen my late mother put one in among the flowers (vase)that were showing signs of dieing.I believe asprin is made from tree bark.

Most people on this one I think have gone for scar tissue from old illnesses which I think is just about SPOT on (excuse the pun)

 

well i thought ide put it across it might be of some help rather than a vet bill it might be worth a try grrrr i cant get use to this thing lol

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

Thanks all

[Guest charkel]

It is commonly known that there are numerous small salivary glands in the mucus membrane of the pigeon's mouth which secrete saliva so that the feed is slightly moistened to allow it to be more easily swallowed. To date it is not known what causes these little white spots which are hard and are known as salivary stones. By examing tissues and the chemicals of these spots or stones it has been proven in Holland that they consists of a mixture of mucus and fine small grains of parts of the cells from the salivary glands. These in turn are rolled into small hard balls and block up the openings of the ducts of the salivary glands. At first they appear to be grey but later they become white in colour.

[Guest IB]

It is commonly known that there are numerous small salivary glands in the mucus membrane of the pigeon's mouth which secrete saliva so that the feed is slightly moistened to allow it to be more easily swallowed. To date it is not known what causes these little white spots which are hard and are known as salivary stones. By examing tissues and the chemicals of these spots or stones it has been proven in Holland that they consists of a mixture of mucus and fine small grains of parts of the cells from the salivary glands. These in turn are rolled into small hard balls and block up the openings of the ducts of the salivary glands. At first they appear to be grey but later they become white in colour.

 

Further to my previous post, I was interested in this from the perspective of the clinical work which 'proved' these white spots consisted of salivary gland cell material; Wim Peters in his book referred to other clinical work which 'proved' these white spots consisted of lymphoid cell material. (The lymph system contains the white blood cells which fight infection.)

 

Looks to me like there is more than one cause.