Partnerships

[thedubs]

Hello all, I would like to see peoples opinions on racing partnerships. As this was my first year racing, i was helping one of the well established members of my club so i could gain a bit of experience and insight into how to breed ,train, race etc.

Today he asked me if i would be interested in forming a partnership with him. Obviously this would be a fantastic opportunity for myself as he is consistantly placed in all races. The thing affecting my decision is the fact that- (1) the stock loft will be at my house (no birds circling/dropping in on race day). (2) the set up he has at home is second to none, would i feel like i was just visitor on race day or a glorified skivvy during the week. (3) would this partnership be as equal as said, 50/50 all the way, or is it a thing that he wants to use myloft to free up some space in his.

 

What are peoples thoughts or experiences of partnerships,

Thanks in advance

[geordie1234]

personally mate i just couldnt do it not having them drop on race days etc i love the fact that i can just pop out my kitchen door and im in my loft and my management my birds however if for what ever reason i couldnt race at mine i wouldnt have a problem doing it then and also i dont know this guy so its up to your personal judgement to realise if you will be either a glorified skivvy or a true patner atb jmo

[just ask me]

get in there and learn if u decide to set up by yourself down the line the knowledge this fancier will pass down to you might take a lot longer to learn by yourself u could learn the trade real quick

[thedubs]

Thanks lads. Ive known this chap for just over a year and we've become good mates. Iwas thinking of maybe saying that we'll give it a trial for the next year and see how it works, and if it doesn't no hard feelings.

[JohnQuinn]

Thanks lads. Ive known this chap for just over a year and we've become good mates. Iwas thinking of maybe saying that we'll give it a trial for the next year and see how it works, and if it doesn't no hard feelings.

 

Believe me there WILL be hard feelings!! Be certain you's can get on together for YEARS to come, or it will eventually ruin the friendship. It is human nature that you will disagree over some things and when that day comes i would be surprised if you weren't reminded of your lesser experience in the game.

If i were you i would take the bull by the horns and set up on my own, your mate will still help you out and he will still be your mate 5/10 years down the line

[billt]

Well, I would say if the man is happy for the stock loft to be at your place he must be impressed with you as this is where the racing starts, yes it's nice to see them come in but thats only the end result, the important job is breeding them

[geordie1234]

Believe me there WILL be hard feelings!! Be certain you's can get on together for YEARS to come, or it will eventually ruin the friendship. It is human nature that you will disagree over some things and when that day comes i would be surprised if you weren't reminded of your lesser experience in the game.

If i were you i would take the bull by the horns and set up on my own, your mate will still help you out and he will still be your mate 5/10 years down the line

well said john

[retired]

I would not hesitate to do it.

 

I have never been in a partnership other than family wise but i think and hope 2011 is the year to change that.

 

I think you both just need to agree a set routine that suits both parties and actually talk to each other.

 

I have always said that i would not want to race if it was not in my own garden however work has screwed that up so if the birds need to race elsewhere then so be it i can still be as active as i possibly could be here but with a partner who is at home more.

 

Give it a go, what have you to loose, if need be have a kit of birds flying out from your own place so you still get the pleasure of watching them around your house.

[travis]

Hi, ive raced both, partners & single.

 

Big Question, can you be there, with no hassle to you, on race day? Early/late lib? 2nd day birds? Are you welcome in that garden for the late arrival? Thats THE DAY ITS ALL ABOUT!

 

If not dont do it. You will have the looking after to do at home etc. Partnerships are great for training etc, i took them training but they were cleaned when I got back! Thats the +s. The -s, they will always feel that they 'belong' to the person where they live/race?

 

It all comes down to race day mate?????

 

Good luck in your decisions.

[Guest mick bowler]

Partnerships are never equal! The success of partnerships must be that each is happy with what each one does, other wise it will crack and fall apart. You can think you know someone well until you go into partnership and then you really find out what they like!!

 

Personally, unless its close family, i'd prefer to do my own thing, no one to agree and no one to answer too.

[REDROCKET]

just remember the partnership rule when you join an established outfit your number 2 or in my case number 4 i get to make 1 decision and thats what loft to clean out first start at the bottom and work your way up no arguments there lol

[grizzal]

Believe me there WILL be hard feelings!! Be certain you's can get on together for YEARS to come, or it will eventually ruin the friendship. It is human nature that you will disagree over some things and when that day comes i would be surprised if you weren't reminded of your lesser experience in the game.

If i were you i would take the bull by the horns and set up on my own, your mate will still help you out and he will still be your mate 5/10 years down the line

 

Good answer m8,Im lucky I fly with my dad from my home.if anything

needs doing when im not there he does it,and that works for us,

but a new partnership started in our club this year flying ybs and

nothing but moaning about each other,they hardly take to each other

and thats after this short time,so I would go alone

[Guest Blaydon Racer]

Hello all, I would like to see peoples opinions on racing partnerships. As this was my first year racing, i was helping one of the well established members of my club so i could gain a bit of experience and insight into how to breed ,train, race etc.

Today he asked me if i would be interested in forming a partnership with him. Obviously this would be a fantastic opportunity for myself as he is consistantly placed in all races. The thing affecting my decision is the fact that- (1) the stock loft will be at my house (no birds circling/dropping in on race day). (2) the set up he has at home is second to none, would i feel like i was just visitor on race day or a glorified skivvy during the week. (3) would this partnership be as equal as said, 50/50 all the way, or is it a thing that he wants to use myloft to free up some space in his.

 

What are peoples thoughts or experiences of partnerships,

Thanks in advance

 

The fact that you are having to ask says it all for me--their must be doubt in your mind

Well my advice--for what it's worth -is if you can fly on your own do it- as believe me coming from someone who has flown in a few partnerships its much more enjoyable----if your circumstances are such then you need to fly in a partnership pick someone who is a friend and who won't stab you in the back if or when things go wrong

[gulkie]

totally agree with Travis. sorry it will never be a 50-50% I speak from

experience ,and my mate was of some 25 years, you are a guest their at

the home of the loft. we are still friends but a different kind of friendship

whatever you decide I hope it works for you[by the way we where very

successful] I race on my own now and get my turn.GOOD LUCK.

[blackdog]

was in a partnership a few years ago, took all my birds with me,which were succesful for me everything was fine at 1st, i would spend hours on end in my garage making new boxs for there lofts,after a couple of years and looking at empty lofts on my own back garden i decided i would go on my own again, bringing only 6 stock pairs with me,now the best part,when i did apply to join the same club,they went around the members saying if they let me back in they would finish so i withdrew my aplication, oh, and i forgot to say one was my brother in law, do what you think best mate but if you want to remain good friends, stay on your own, jmo

[Guest IB]

IMO your post shows you have doubts and if it was me I would listen to them - and stay as is. Your friend is your mentor and I think you will get more out of him sticking to the current arrangement.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

DO YOUR OWN THING AND YOU WILL LEARN BY YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

[thedubs]

Thanks for all the replys,there are good points made on both sides, i'm gonna have to seriously think this through !!!

[steve d]

I fly in partnership with my m8 who lives other the road, the race birds are at my house the stock at his, everything works perfectly, our system is wrote down and if one of us are missing the other one knows what to do, we have no fall outs and remain friends as we have been for 25 years.......I get to go on holiday and days out with my kids, which I never got to do before, and he does the same.......I went away last week and under his guidance and feeding we took the first 6 in club and looking good for the fed too........go with your instinct mate but the important thing is you must talk to each other when things aint going to good because that is when tension can kick in, we have had our ups and downs with the birds but never a fallout as we talk before it gets to that stage, good luck whatever u decide m8.

[Guest Paulo]

Partnerships are never equal! The success of partnerships must be that each is happy with what each one does, other wise it will crack and fall apart. You can think you know someone well until you go into partnership and then you really find out what they like!!

 

Personally, unless its close family, i'd prefer to do my own thing, no one to agree and no one to answer too.

 

Good point by Mick you woukd have to defer to this guy intially as he is more experiemced so he will probably be expecting you to learn and follow his instructions.

 

I fly on my own and pay all the bills and that way theres only me to answer too or so I thought!!! My dad who was a good pigeon man in his day helps me now along with my gran and it works apart from every now and then we have a falling out over something and we are familly! I'm quite good natured and have high tolarance which helps but even then we fall out. He's had a huff today now but no doubt he will be over it by tomorrow as the YB National is on ha ha.

 

 

Only you will know the dynamic that exists between you and this guy and how you interact. If I was you I would take him up on his opportunity.

 

Pigeon racing is a hard game for the novice and flying on your own is hard work and expensive I was fortunate in that when I started out I used my dads connections in the sport to source good birds and I won quite a bit but it was very hard work. Now my dad has the bug again and helps me he's a big help my game has increased 100% and I would struggle to win the prizes I win without him because of the demanding job I have. Like over people have said its the little things like taking them training and having someone to watch them back and and feed them if I'm late from work and do the shutters for my darkness yb's. My only gripe is how expensive the sport is. plus my dad is a bit set in his ways where I embrace modern techniques and methods he thinks what worked in the 80's still works in the 90's

 

Even if you only fly a year with this bloke he will teach you the ropes and you will learn a lot and with breeding the stock he will probably let you keep a few YB's back for yourself. Then you can set up in a year or two take what he has taught you and build on it and become even better. Your chances of success are far higher in a partnership rather than struggling on on your own getting hammered every week and then wrapping in.

 

Whatever you decide I wish you all the best wether you fly on your own or with your new partner.

[OLDYELLOW]

Just bumping this up , as relevant to another topic the pros and cons of having a partner more positives to me

[bombersbullets]

save your self some money and free you some time go for the offer m8 its not easy on your own trust me ive had um round me 30years and they dont get no easyer lol

[geordie1234]

My wee bro thinks he is in partnership with me i let him use the scraper anytime he wants aslong as its done everyday lol

[quackie]

they say 2 heads are better than 1 take up his offer its clear he has faith in you not many guys who win would let you look after there stock away from his eyes remeber he will be putting trust in you and you will be more or less responcible for the next team of birds and should you rear some winners im sure he would be proud of you also you would take satisfaction you did the job that was asked of you have a chat to him ask what he expects from you and any questions you want to ask do so all the best

[THE FIFER]

Lots of good partnerships around in the pigeon fancy,