Disease Outbreak In Wild Birds

[Guest j v ward]

trichomonosis disease in wild birds see ww. british bird trust

[JohnQuinn]

trichomonosis disease in wild birds see ww. british bird trust

 

Will it infect Percy? if it does the RSPB will organise culls of wild birds to protect the BOP money spinners and to hell with the rest of them.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

HOPE IT DOES AND WIPES THEM OOT.

[frank-123]

it was the same last year small birds dying we keep hawks canker free

[Roland]

Canker kills B.O.P. Fact.

[Guest strapper]

trichomonosis disease in wild birds see ww. british bird trust

 

they bring this out every year for the last 3-4yrs..they blame pigeons and doves.

greenfinches are being hit hard by it...they worry over this but let hawks free to kill as many as they like.

[Delboy]

Canker , also known as frounce, kills hawks. We keep them alive ourselves by keeping our pigeons canker free. Therefore, if we didnt treat for canker, the hawk population would decrease

[Roland]

Canker , also known as frounce, kills hawks. We keep them alive ourselves by keeping our pigeons canker free. Therefore, if we didnt treat for canker, the hawk population would decrease

 

Which sums it all up a treat. The RSPB couldn't give a fickled rat's behind about birds.... unless it's a money making Ariel killer.

That's why they are concerned now about canker out bursts.

They know! We need no more rubbish fed us that Canker etc. and Vetamin doesn't affect B.O.P. / raaptures / Falcons / hawks tc. Of course it sorts them out.... Else the RSPB wouldn't be so concerned. Simple that. So there gentlemen we have it! They have answered it foe us yet again.

Often hear the other side that Ferals have canker etc. and they don't trouble hawks etc.

They carry just enough in a mild form of canker to keep stronger, or heavier doses from taking hold and have it in a managerable dose. very mild. Like mongrel dogs with Pave etc. etc.

[Novice]

Many years ago a prominent scribe proposed that birds which were ill due to canker should not be culled.

They should have their rings removed and be released into the wild.

Nothing illegal in that is there?

 

Needless to say the fancy ignored the suggestion.

[Guest bigda]

don't think thats there reason for mentioning it, think they then have the excuse as to the decline of GARDEN BIRDS not the hawks falt

[Guest bigda]

could hit back with as the rspb are here to help, and what about giving us all some cancker treatment so as we can put it on the birds tables to help save the birds dont think they would like the expence but they should be asked where they stand in there protection policy, see if they will suport the cost of that just mix it in with there wild bird seed bigda as is

[geordie1234]

don't think thats there reason for mentioning it, think they then have the excuse as to the decline of GARDEN BIRDS not the hawks falt

thats what i think too

[Guest IB]

I have posted on this over the years, and this subject is far from new, as although the news has only broken publicly, it's been known for years trichomonas is in the wild bird population - Scottish Agricultural College for one carried out research on it. These deaths are to be expected in any new disease that strikes a population.

 

But like pigeons, they will eventually become immune to it. I think that it is Nature's way of evening out the odds that are stacked against all bird prey species just now, as the top avian predators have no natural predator to keep their numbers in check: cue 'eat me and die' survival stratagy. Falconers already know not to let their birds feed on pigeon heads or crop, because they could contract 'frounce' canker to you and I. So wild bird population carrying it will control its own predator numbers.

 

It's just one of the many things fanciers do to help maintain a hawk population: they canker birds that should be immune to canker; so giving hawks a safe meal; they use ivermectin which deworms birds but also does same for hawks that eat the meat; they breed big teams of youngsters during the hawk breeding seasons, making sure they have a great hatch; and they also put birds out in winter to bolster dwindling food reserves, just to make sure hawks survive when if left to Nature they should be dying of starvation - in their hundreds

[Guest IB]

Many years ago a prominent scribe proposed that birds which were ill due to canker should not be culled.

They should have their rings removed and be released into the wild.

Nothing illegal in that is there?

 

Needless to say the fancy ignored the suggestion.

 

It is illegal on many counts under current Animal Welfare legislation covering all parts of UK (abandonment; causing unneccessary suffering; failing to get medical help for; etc any animal in your charge for which you have a duty of care.)

 

It is also cruel.

[just ask me]

is there any evidence anywhere that i can read that canker kills bop

[Guest IB]

is there any evidence anywhere that i can read that canker kills bop

 

 

http://www.themodernapprentice.com/diseases.htm

 

Scroll down to 'Frounce'. Note what they say about life expectancy of an untreated bird = 7/10 days. Also click on link at bottom which shows what the vet took out of the birds throat - the hyoid bone is the bone in the bird's tongue. There is also an article 'behind' this article, click on heading 'Frounce' which gives pics of the disease in BOP.

[Guest spin cycle]

occurs to me that as we used to use bicarb. of soda in pigeons for canker , why don't bird orgs. tell people to use it in birdbaths? allways seems to break out this time of year...i assume because there are fewer places for birds to drink and so infection is quicker....could have it all wrong though

[frank-123]

I have posted on this over the years, and this subject is far from new, as although the news has only broken publicly, it's been known for years trichomonas is in the wild bird population - Scottish Agricultural College for one carried out research on it. These deaths are to be expected in any new disease that strikes a population.

 

But like pigeons, they will eventually become immune to it. I think that it is Nature's way of evening out the odds that are stacked against all bird prey species just now, as the top avian predators have no natural predator to keep their numbers in check: cue 'eat me and die' survival stratagy. Falconers already know not to let their birds feed on pigeon heads or crop, because they could contract 'frounce' canker to you and I. So wild bird population carrying it will control its own predator numbers.

 

It's just one of the many things fanciers do to help maintain a hawk population: they canker birds that should be immune to canker; so giving hawks a safe meal; they use ivermectin which deworms birds but also does same for hawks that eat the meat; they breed big teams of youngsters during the hawk breeding seasons, making sure they have a great hatch; and they also put birds out in winter to bolster dwindling food reserves, just to make sure hawks survive when if left to Nature they should be dying of starvation - in their hundreds

 

well i hope they dont starve this winter just drop dead would be nice

[geordie1234]

well i hope they dont starve this winter just drop dead would be nice

[just ask me]

wild birds have had canker for ages and wild pigeons have had canker it it has made no impression to the falcons in the last 20 years

 

i cant really see how this will work

[Novice]

It is illegal on many counts under current Animal Welfare legislation covering all parts of UK (abandonment; causing unneccessary suffering; failing to get medical help for; etc any animal in your charge for which you have a duty of care.)

 

It is also cruel.

 

I think you should climb down from your space craft and enter the real world.

Abandonment a few miles from the loft-get real.

Cruelty is what happens every time we train our birds through no fault of our own.

Indeed when I look at returns reported on here every Saturday I start to appreciate gross cruelty and breach of "duty of care".

Once again you have abused your position as a moderator.

It's a pity that mods are not selected on performance which would illustrate an understanding of the subjects on which they comment.

[Guest IB]

I think you should climb down from your space craft and enter the real world.

Abandonment a few miles from the loft-get real.

Cruelty is what happens every time we train our birds through no fault of our own.

Indeed when I look at returns reported on here every Saturday I start to appreciate gross cruelty and breach of "duty of care".

Once again you have abused your position as a moderator.

It's a pity that mods are not selected on performance which would illustrate an understanding of the subjects on which they comment.

 

You have maybe taken offence at my reply to your post and my explanation why the suggestion in it was never taken up. You are suggesting liberating a sick pigeon with the express intention of the bird not coming back. Any illness in a bird limits its chances of getting home, no matter how close to home it was liberated. That is far from being humane, you are being cruel to your own pigeon.

 

And cruelty is a human concept. It is something only a human can do. Animals cannot be prosecuted for cruelty as they live according different codes, where cruelty doesn't exist. I agree that some losses reported on here are down to attacks on our pigeons. But that cannot account for all losses, and as I and others have said on other threads on these losses, it is easy to blame it all on our pet subject without any proof, but we are failing in our duty of care towards our birds in not mounting a thorough inquiry into what is really happening after our birds are liberated.

 

Mods surely have the same right as any other member to post to any discussion thread. As I said at the beginning my comments on your post appears to have given offence. If you had actually advocated breaking the law in your post, then I would not have commented on it, I would have removed it.

[Roland]

Been here before chaps. One must make up own mind.

But as I agree that man has the abilty,to intentionally be cruel, being a free moral agent, but he isn't alone in what I think is cruelty.

Many and much is cruel in my view.... Cats playing with a mouse,eating prey alive -as others do, B.O.P. for instanc Eat their prey alive, plucking and stripping because it is easier whilst still fresh

That list is endless to I fear.