Scum Of The Earth

[holmsidelofts]

Whats wrong with some fanciers. I have 6 birds away from saturdays race, one came back today minus its ets ring. It just winds me up that someone can get in someone elses birds and have the cheek to steal a £1.25 ets ring.

All i can say is who ever you are you aint no gentleman fancier. just scum in my eyes.

 

Jas.

[ALF]

Whats wrong with some fanciers. I have 6 birds away from saturdays race, one came back today minus its ets ring. It just winds me up that someone can get in someone elses birds and have the cheek to steal a £1.25 ets ring.

All i can say is who ever you are you aint no gentleman fancier. just scum in my eyes.

 

Jas.

 

HAD IT HAPPEN TO MYSELF BUT THE DOOS THAT COME BACK WITHOUT THEIR ETS RING WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN :rolleyes:

[Ian McKay]

Sadly Jas it happens everywhere the quicker we get life rings with the chip in it the better

(none removable)

Cheers

Ia

 

Ps SHU now charging 1.30 + £5.50 postage

[DJWa]

HAD IT HAPPEN TO MYSELF BUT THE DOOS THAT COME BACK WITHOUT THEIR ETS RING WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN :rolleyes:

 

i wouldnt be to sure that theyve been in anywhere

iv seen an ets ring lying in the bottom of a basket before

it was shattered

they can become brittle and break with a slight knock

 

plus had a bird back from a toss minus its ring

it returned with the kit so no time to go in anywhere

[Roland]

Whats wrong with some fanciers. I have 6 birds away from saturdays race, one came back today minus its ets ring. It just winds me up that someone can get in someone elses birds and have the cheek to steal a £1.25 ets ring.

All i can say is who ever you are you aint no gentleman fancier. just scum in my eyes.

 

Jas.

Well chances are that it has been in another loft. I'd gladly give the £1 : 10p to know that! Yep doing one a favour I guess.

Used to be the rubber off.... so you knew. Gosh if it came back all in tact you'd have false notions.

Is it the £1 10p? No I hear shouted aloud. Then in reality just what does it boil down to? Just whay does one blood boil? Disappointment with the bird and the proof it failed .... may way be saving you a few £££££'s by not sending to club races, let alone costly 'Nationals'.

Fact is you know where your bird merits stands and are, plus it is most likely to go down first bit of a hard race now. Further, please, please, if any of my birds enter your loft, read the phone number and tell me, or water and feed and take of the flipping ring off!

I mean just what is up with folks? the Guys done you a favour and not let you sit and dream it may well be a 'Champion' For the chances of that as just about zilch!

[billt]

HAD IT HAPPEN TO MYSELF BUT THE DOOS THAT COME BACK WITHOUT THEIR ETS RING WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN :rolleyes:

Not too sure about that one,I think if you were lost and starving that might be the sensible way to go

[airdrie2]

ybs can make a mistake so not nessasary rubbish, taking ets rings off and keeping them for yourself or selling them on ebay to me is no pigieon fancier and club ets official regesters should reqire proof of ownership to ets rings that will come up as forgen when member tries to reg if no proof should be reported roll on life chip rings to erradicate this but what happens if chip on life ring goes wrong ?

[clayton moore]

Well chances are that it has been in another loft. I'd gladly give the £1 : 10p to know that! Yep doing one a favour I guess.

Used to be the rubber off.... so you knew. Gosh if it came back all in tact you'd have false notions.

Is it the £1 10p? No I hear shouted aloud. Then in reality just what does it boil down to? Just whay does one blood boil? Disappointment with the bird and the proof it failed .... may way be saving you a few £££££'s by not sending to club races, let alone costly 'Nationals'.

Fact is you know where your bird merits stands and are, plus it is most likely to go down first bit of a hard race now. Further, please, please, if any of my birds enter your loft, read the phone number and tell me, or water and feed and take of the flipping ring off!

I mean just what is up with folks? the Guys done you a favour and not let you sit and dream it may well be a 'Champion' For the chances of that as just about zilch!

[clayton moore]

Well chances are that it has been in another loft. I'd gladly give the £1 : 10p to know that! Yep doing one a favour I guess.

Used to be the rubber off.... so you knew. Gosh if it came back all in tact you'd have false notions.

Is it the £1 10p? No I hear shouted aloud. Then in reality just what does it boil down to? Just whay does one blood boil? Disappointment with the bird and the proof it failed .... may way be saving you a few £££££'s by not sending to club races, let alone costly 'Nationals'.

Fact is you know where your bird merits stands and are, plus it is most likely to go down first bit of a hard race now. Further, please, please, if any of my birds enter your loft, read the phone number and tell me, or water and feed and take of the flipping ring off!

I mean just what is up with folks? the Guys done you a favour and not let you sit and dream it may well be a 'Champion' For the chances of that as just about zilch!

Shocking call yourselves fanciers.Thats why my heart sinks when i see the Scotish pgeons hit the landing board i know im in for a chew getting them back home.Can you explain with your high handed attitude to your property why put a telephone ring on if you dont want it back.These ring come off easily if you have lots to put on it might be your fault if the birds hit the wires they come off lord theres loads of reasons.

[holmsidelofts]

Well chances are that it has been in another loft. I'd gladly give the £1 : 10p to know that! Yep doing one a favour I guess.

Used to be the rubber off.... so you knew. Gosh if it came back all in tact you'd have false notions.

Is it the £1 10p? No I hear shouted aloud. Then in reality just what does it boil down to? Just whay does one blood boil? Disappointment with the bird and the proof it failed .... may way be saving you a few £££££'s by not sending to club races, let alone costly 'Nationals'.

Fact is you know where your bird merits stands and are, plus it is most likely to go down first bit of a hard race now. Further, please, please, if any of my birds enter your loft, read the phone number and tell me, or water and feed and take of the flipping ring off!

I mean just what is up with folks? the Guys done you a favour and not let you sit and dream it may well be a 'Champion' For the chances of that as just about zilch!

 

Unfortunately young birds make mistakes roland especially as it was her first time in a basket with 4000 + pigeons. Birds do make mistakes and become champions, i have birds that prove that. If i killed everything that made a mistake once then where would we be.

I can assure you it wont continue in that vain. I think we all would like a loft full of winners but that just doesnt exist im afraid.

The problem i have with this is that yes someone has obviously had the bird in, all my birds are wing stamped so why not pick up the phone to let me now that without having to steal what is not rightfully theres. £1.25 is £1.25 when you have to buy 60 rings then it mounts up.

 

Im sorry but other fanciers birds come to my lofts with ets rings on, i will always feed them up, let the fancier know and leave the ets ring on.

 

I spend thousands a year in this sport giving the best feed, training, etc and dont think its right for others to take what is rightfully not theres.

 

Jas.

[Guest mick bowler]

I think its be a bit of an over reaction to call them "scum of the earth". I agree with Roland's point that they may just be trying to say the bird has been in to their loft, i have heard this before, but i know there are easier ways. Scum would cut the life ring off too, which i have had before!

 

At the end of the day if you bird is not worth a quid or so for an ETS ring then what is it doing in your loft?

[Roland]

Clayton says quote 'Can you explain with your high handed attitude to your property why put a telephone ring on if you don’t want it back'.

Who is on about not wanting it back I personally wish to know if, or when my bird, my bird has entered another’s loft! Maybe there is a good reason, maybe not. Yes a youngster may well deserve another chance. - Personally I believe that, but to give it another chance one needs to know if it does need another chance - and taking the ring off gives you the chance to decide, and to KNOW if it needs another chance.

One stray came in yesterday. Puffed up a mite and went into my loft.

Fed and watered over night and allowed this morning to go on it's way - 45 miles. Has a phone number on it's wing. If back, or not - has cleared as of yet, but who knows. - Certainly don't want it to get the idea I'm running a hotel for others, - but either way tonight the owner will be told 'it dropped in and got fed watered and cleared, or it is housed on it's own etc. because it was winged stamped.

Again he will have the choice to do and act has his right.

Now I personally have never took a ET ring off... and don't feel I ever will, who knows. But I welcome anyone to take mine of if I haven't done the decent thing and wing stamp, or placed a ring phone number on it!

I don't know whether Holmsidelofts did as such. If not, then he should be grateful. If he did, then they were scum. But at days end Holmsidelofts has the good fortune to know that his bird was imprisoned for the ET to have come off.

Now as for the £1 : 10p, a cull will eat that times over before getting lost, or other excuses are made.

Who knows, may have entered 2-4 lofts before fed and sheltered over winter to be bred of. So I believe the owner has a right to know.

[Roland]

Sorry Homesloft, just re read your last post regard 'Winged Stamped'.

But too many aren'. Mine are personally always winged stamped. Indeed our clubs a stickler on that which is good. But I would anyway.

[clayton moore]

Several years ago a very famouse fancier was rang via his wing stamp that a pigeon was in a loft not its own that fancier then drove to the loft got the pigeon and went on his way.He stopped round the corner and timed same bird on winning big prize. Only to have his perfomane illuminated in the sports press.The fancier whos loft that pigeon went into remembered the ring no, and reported same.Original sinner cought banned. Now i dont agree with whoever took off ring but have you thought it might be someone from the anti ets brigade.

[Guest mick bowler]

Several years ago a very famouse fancier was rang via his wing stamp that a pigeon was in a loft not its own that fancier then drove to the loft got the pigeon and went on his way.He stopped round the corner and timed same bird on winning big prize. Only to have his perfomane illuminated in the sports press.The fancier whos loft that pigeon went into remembered the ring no, and reported same.Original sinner cought banned. Now i dont agree with whoever took off ring but have you thought it might be someone from the anti ets brigade.

 

 

Joe how could you ban someone for that? Surely its one mans word against another. Anyone could just say a winning bird came into their loft??

[holmsidelofts]

I think its be a bit of an over reaction to call them "scum of the earth". I agree with Roland's point that they may just be trying to say the bird has been in to their loft, i have heard this before, but i know there are easier ways. Scum would cut the life ring off too, which i have had before!

 

At the end of the day if you bird is not worth a quid or so for an ETS ring then what is it doing in your loft?

 

Hi mick you are missing the point. its not the cost but the principle of it. I can assure you the birds are worth a 100 times more than the ets ring, its the fact that someone has taken it off is the issue here. Saturdays race wasnt a blow home but a fairly hard race for any youngsters first race. with most fanciers feeling how hard it was.

I do agree with roland our lofts shouldnt be a hotel for strays, in fact if one comes to my loft it doesnt stay there its taken to another shed out of the way of everything else, but what does the person gain from taking the ring, other than one less ring he has to buy himself, or as others have said it may be an anti ets fancier. This time of the year i could get in 100's of stay birds and if i took the ets rings off them all i wouldnt have to buy any myself. it just isnt right.

Maybe scum of the earth was a little strong but it frustrates me when some one does something like that.

 

this bird was liberated in newbury on saturday, came back on sunday.

 

jas.

[Guest Reeco Jnr]

Wasnt there something in the homing world about someone's bird having a broken leg after some halfwit cut a ets ring off last week?

[Guest Owen]

It seems to me that if we are talking about " Only 1:25 per ring" why should anyone want to mess about with it? If you want to tell me that my bird entered your loft, why not give me a ring. My birds are wingstamped and have an address ring on.

When Jason said they were "The scum of the earth", I think he is right. No-one, in my opinion has the right to touch things that do not belong to them. And while we are at it, I would place the people who refuse to collect their strays into the same category, especially if a member of the public are involved.

Just as always the people who make and sell the ETS rings are trying to become rich over night. I would bet that these rings are made for pence. The only thing good about it is the fact that the people who want to flood the race baskets with masses of youngsters may think twice before they breed so many. I would like it fine if they were not allowed to use rubber rings in an ETS Club so that they would be forced to face up to the costs of the rings. Perhaps they would breed for quality rather than the masses of rubbish that finds its way to the race baskets right now.

[Ian McKay]

The ETS companies would love to get rubbers stopped they could force the price up even further but why should a person not be allowed to race if they have not got ETS or they have to form Rubber only clubs. May I ask was your club a rubber club before ETS did you get a lottery grant for your ETS

 

Without the mass of rubbish you describe where would Clubs and Feds be it's them that keep costs down

 

With the demise of Amtrack which a lot of pigeon fanciers complained about it is almost impossible to get birds (courieried) from Scotland (north) to England (south)without costing a lot.

 

Your ideas would put a lot of fanciers out of the ever decrseasing game.It's funny rubbers were acceptable for 60 + years now we have people like you trying to put an end to it funny old world if you not got ETS tough :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Ian McKay]

HAD IT HAPPEN TO MYSELF BUT THE DOOS THAT COME BACK WITHOUT THEIR ETS RING WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN :rolleyes:

 

 

Cannot agree with you on thet one Alf the winner of the Kinglea One Loft Race 2008 (which is only a fun race) went astray the first race came back via SPDS then went on to win the first prize £1000 and £1000 to charity (Daldorch house for Delboy)186 mls then went to the Scottish National Leicester young bird race being time to win 9th Region G 136 Open winning £123.50 flying 317.891mls no bad for a bird that was given a second chance

 

Proves your idea wrong

 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Roland]

I see sides here. But if a person doesn't bother with a £6 wing stamp, or a fiver for phone rings, it gives the impression that they don't want any reported. - Or can't afford the extra time or expence.

Seems strange that one goes to the cost of Birds / Clubs / feed, training etc. etc. even scraping out but won't cough up for a contact number.

In Homesloft's case it may well be an anti ET person.... and the ET brigade have a lot to answer for in their' selfish ignorant mould - but that's another story.

If that is the case, and it is quite likely, I believe that this is just the thin edge of a wedge and many more will be having them removed. Nowt we can do about that... and like I say, personally I couldn'y give a rat's a$se.

I let up two strays today. One was winged stamped, the other contact ring. Both will be informed around 7 tonight that they entered my loft. Infact I am really quite suprised that they both cleared... Mind they went up together. A large percentage of the time they hang around and become pests. But I have a spare shed, and a hospital cage, so that helps I guess.

Now if they hadn't been 'Contact numbered' would I bother to ring them?. NO! Because I wouldn't have been able of course without the nuisance of going through, reporting and looking up etc.. Should I have taken the rubber of the rubbered one...? The other was ET ringed. Would that be being fair to both?

Would or doesn't that in it's self mean one gets the benefit of knowing, as for the other, am I to think they've not worth bothering as he hasn't bothered and quite likely don't care OR is it a case of I CAN'T afford to know. Could it be a case of 'Just able to keep and race birds, but couldn't afford to have them sent home in a box'!!!!?

[Roland]

In which case removing the ring allows them to know it has entered a loft, and as such gives the owner a choice of it's merit and any action he may, or choose not to take.

Now let's face it, if a bird enters and feeds in another loft, surely it is less that 1 in 500, or 50000 that it will become national winners! Mind many strays have won for their' new owners. YES from the LOFT that they have adopted and taken to Plus many the stray that has bred some good birds.... but nigh always I deem for a loft it has taken to and not the owner.

[clayton moore]

One of the best pigeons in the north owned by P Stobbs and son the Gypsy wasin 3 lofts till he got his act together.

[Roland]

Of course there are always contraries to the rule of the thumb. But in reality winners are scare. What would one say? 1 in 100, more like a 1000 at least.

So who wants to have a bash at breeding a round of say 6 pairs of strays?

If Mealies and or grizzles I'd give it a whirl as I've said before. Yes I agree youngster deserve at least one chance.

But the sooner, and regardless of what whims, theories or whatever one does it by, - it usually boils down to of course to the birds one has left in the loft - that the sooner a yardstick is implemented and stood by, the quicker and better the results will be.

Not for a moment do I say that 'Others' have the right to enforce their will upon one. Nor use methods that take away any rights of the owners. Good grief nary a thought.

At least Homesloft got his bird back. Known of some that 'Bin' strays spouting 'No Good to him or me'. This is of course outrageous. Sadly I fear the costs of not being able to afford the box home for them has put out a wrong, yet strong misnomer.

A lad of say 24 has a wife, three kids and a heavy mortgage. He has a Fly away losing 34 birds of his 38 birds. Every week he has to balance the books. Make concessions as to just where his money is to be put, and further to justify the wife and kids. Mortgage for a roof over the head is / must be, first every month. Food and the clothing of course is a must. Then there’s the designer gear, footballs, school horrendous costs, etc. etc.

38 x £30 is way beyond most peoples’ means. He is saddened, but glad a handful are close enough to be picked up. Further saddened by those he simply can't afford to have sent home in a box. I know, like so many others I've been there. Indeed still am ... Been lucky too granted in getting them home luckily enough.

So the sooner he has a regime in place that over rides his whims and a yardstick is put into place the better I believe.

[billt]

Now let me see, What do I think is a sensible youngster, one that stays out and becomes cat food or starves to death or one that drops into a loft for food and shelter, no contest