to test or too testing

[johno]

see from a report in bhw that the snfc are indicating that they may well drug test birds in the coming season.what do fanciers think of this idea.

[HOMER49]

see from a report in bhw that the snfc are indicating that they may well drug test birds in the coming season.what do fanciers think of this idea.

 

Hi

Is this not a DEFRA ruling

Cheers

Homer 49

[pigeonpete]

think its a good idea, it happens in any other sport, so if people have nowt to hide dont see what the problem is,

[Roland]

Agreed. Can't see why the scare mongering of 'Taking from Between the joints can hold water. I believe that a Blod sample would suffice, and they can do mine any day any time anywhere. ... Mind I do feed fermented beens so the birds may wel be nissed as pewt lol.

[Guest Paulo]

think its a good idea, it happens in any other sport, so if people have nowt to hide dont see what the problem is,

 

exactly

[Keepsmilingqueen]

i agree testing is good, id have no problems if i was asked to have my birds tested, after all iv nothing to hide and in my oppinion any advantage gained by illegal means should be exposed  

[Tony C]

I think testing is a good thing for 4 reasons

 

1) catch the cheats

2) as a deterrent

3) stop the whisperings/doubts against successful fanciers by having a negative test.

4) negative test on successful fanciers sends the message out that you don't need drugs to win big

[johno]

does "catch the cheats" not indicate that some prejudging has already taken place. poor reflection on "peace and goodwill to all" i always believed that innocence until proven otherwise was a prerequisite of a fair and equitable system.

[johno]

Homer defra have nothing to do with it.

[Guest coxy]

well im well up for it. as far as i can see the onli ppl tht object r those tht have something to hide

[mickmcgrevy]

I think drug testing is a waste of time, the fed which I am in has been doing it for 2 seasons now and nobody tested positive yet. It is done by taking a sample of the droppings, after the birds have been put into a clean basket.

 

At the end of the day you can give a pigeon what you like, it still has to fly in the right direction and get home.

 

I think it is just an excuse to think someone is cheating in this way, when realy they are probably just good fanciers with good birds.

 

Just my opinion.

 

All the best

Mick  

[Tony C]

does "catch the cheats" not indicate that some prejudging has already taken place. poor reflection on "peace and goodwill to all" i always believed that innocence until proven otherwise was a prerequisite of a fair and equitable system.

 

johno,  I read an article where droppings were tested from a race pannier, some were found to be positive for banned substances. Either the article was cobblers or there are cheats out there. I've never finger pointed, whispered or accused no one of this but I couldn't say it has never gone on going by what has been reported.

[Roland]

I was talking past time back now - quite a while in fact now - to two or three top class fanciers who stated that they personally have never done it. They were able to tell me, how and where the syringe is placed etc. So I have no doubt that some, somewhere have done and no doubt/ do. So it is and has been around for quite some time. Also the ole adage of Smoke without fire oft rings true!

There is nowt worth winning here about where I, and many others, fly from. So that would also be a waste of time. Likewise again, a syringe won't beat the wind.... might adjust the sails a mite, but the races will still be in the area's favourable on the day.

So if there is any being done, then it would obviously have to be in those worthwhile places, to get the edge in them sections /Feds etc.

Now as far as I am concerned, and many others no doubt, nowhere near worth it by a long chalk for a bit of cardboard!

[johno]

i fail to see how pigeons can be sent on so to speak. we cannot get ybs to stay healthy but we think some can send them on using drugs. i cant see it

[Guest shadow]

I think drug testing is a waste of time, the fed which I am in has been doing it for 2 seasons now and nobody tested positive yet. It is done by taking a sample of the droppings, after the birds have been put into a clean basket.

 

At the end of the day you can give a pigeon what you like, it still has to fly in the right direction and get home.

 

I think it is just an excuse to think someone is cheating in this way, when realy they are probably just good fanciers with good birds.

 

Just my opinion.

I agree always some body ready to start rumours

 

All the best

Mick  

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I will be suprised how many Bottom Of The Sheet guys test positive

[gangster]

they tried this a few seasons ago to a mate of mine they just could not accept he was a fantastic stockman who got the best out of his birds,on numerous occassions they would be there outside his yard watching the birds arrive ,then he invited all n sundry to sit in the garden too witness there arrival but this was still not enough they then turn up after the race to test his birds as i know this guy is the most honest guy you will ever meet and yes the test was negative....im not really convinced about test.......

[Guest]

Johno i think you have to take the other proposal that is on the table into account to close Bo,ness marking station surprise a good fancier has had good resluts in region D something smells to me that marking station is one of the Snfc sucsess in the last 5 years birdage and fanciers in region d up 2 fold  is this a go at a certain person?

[jimmy white]

its a bad state nowadays if it has to come to this,  my honest opinion is people are jealous of good fliers,,,

[Guest speckled]

well me im behind it as ive been "drug tested" so bring it on  make it better for all the flyers that put all there dedicating,into there birds, each year, but tell ya what,when it does happen to you ya lose all that drive & dedecation thought gossip, but what makes it worse mine was me own sec of the club,sad ahhh but   i was proved NEGITIVE. but still it  just goes that winning in a sour note against many flyers.Speck

[johno]

frankdooman i was not aware of the figures you have outlined. seems odd that they propose to close a marking station when it is obviously a success. one question arising out of this why close this marking station. i still fail to see how they are going to set up and run this properly. simple things like which lofts do we test and how many. do we test in all races  what size of sample are we going to use. who does the testing. is a rule put in place clarifying all these points. i do not see it happening. its  now mid January. around five months to june. short time to put everything in place. if it is not done correctly there could be lawyers queing up to advise.

[Roland]

Well I think to make every one happy that they drug test the big time LOSERS every time. Then at least we know two things for sure, If they are using it ain't doing them any good. And the Winners can't come up with crap it's because they are winners. Of course it thye blumming GOOD birds results that will be tested.  Like in any competition! ehh!

[lilly]

A waste of time and effort, there are just too many variables involved in pigeon races.

With humans, horses and dogs the controlled administration of drug taking is at hand right up to the last point, and unlike our birds, no distractions of nature will be taking place.

 

Plus, can anyone point me in the direction of one single piece of quality, in depth controlled research that has taken place as to which wonder drugs are the most effective with racing pigeons, the operative word being, 'Racing Pigeons'.

[Roland]

Lilly, whatever you mean be that as it may, for you have lost me. But it is obvious that drug enhancing goes on. The days of the coffee beans have slip bye, which wasn't much good any way if not released till next day. What amazes me is the people that try to dismiss it as 'Ole wifes Tales' etc. ... Now that in it's self tells a tale. Of course syringes are used by some.... just can't see how any one can just dismiss it! And of course only in ceratin circles, most of us lay men have no idea what and how it works. Let alone where and how to get it!  

[Guest]

iam not against testing but ithink some people are hiding behind it as bad loosers and i cant see how they can tell with a dropping test that by the time they do it could be 2 weeks after the alleged drug was given