ETS

[doos r us]

the time put to the shu for the difference between timing by ets and conventional clocks was not by the shu president, about 3 different clubs put this to the test and came up with the difference and this was put to the council, and it was never put into action because where would u stop having allowances, as there is a difference using stall traps so would they have to be giving time as well, would two people timing in have to give time to one timing in, no where would it end

 

thats correct fifer i use open doors so can i have the allowance over ets then again over the stall trap about 18 sec should do it

[THE FIFER]

 

Sad to say this post does you know credit either Fifer try and see past "petty party politics" and try and remember I am a member of the Shu as well, as in not your natural enemy.

 

You and I both know that the jist of what I  said is pefectly true and Roland's estimate of 17 seconds is reasonably accurate.

 

 

you see this is where yous posts go all out, rolands time thing has never been mentioned by me, what my posts are about was you stated that it was a past shu president who proposed a time limit, i said it was members who in the shu made the time limits not the president, you just change things to try and correct your own

 

wrongs, as said i have never mentiond anything about roland or his time limits, once more if you cant read posts dont try and get involved

[me]

 

thats correct fifer i use open doors so can i have the allowance over ets then again over the stall trap about 18 sec should do it

 

Think you have misunderstood doorus this was a plan outlined by Mr.Barlow not "me" to establish a time penalty for using automatic electronic timing systems which can be used when you are down at the shops with your wife of a Saturday as opposed to manual systems such as "open door" or "stalls".

 

By the way have a word with Mr.Lycett not sure he would agree with your "timings"

 

 

[me]

 

you see this is where yous posts go all out, rolands time thing has never been mentioned by me, what my posts are about was you stated that it was a past shu president who proposed a time limit, i said it was members who in the shu made the time limits not the president, you just change things to try and correct your own

 

wrongs, as said i have never mentiond anything about roland or his time limits, once more if you cant read posts dont try and get involved

 

 

Sorry fifer my mistake did'nt know you had'nt read all the posts on this thread before joining in,that would explain your confusion. If you check back you'll see what we were discussing.

 

To be fair its hard to catch up if you have not been involved in the "discusions" all the best fifer.

 

[me]

 

you see this is where yous posts go all out, rolands time thing has never been mentioned by me, what my posts are about was you stated that it was a past shu president who proposed a time limit, i said it was members who in the shu made the time limits not the president, you just change things to try and correct your own

 

wrongs, as said i have never mentiond anything about roland or his time limits, once more if you cant read posts dont try and get involved

 

 

I did'nt actually fifer as far as I know he is still the president but you could be excused for your slip in my book at any rate

 

[doos r us]

 

Think you have misunderstood doorus this was a plan outlined by Mr.Barlow not "me" to establish a time penalty for using automatic electronic timing systems which can be used when you are down at the shops with your wife of a Saturday as opposed to manual systems such as "open door" or "stalls".

 

By the way have a word with Mr.Lycett not sure he would agree with your "timings"

 

 

will take any 18 was just guess anyway is a bird actually in the loft when timed using stall trap just another aside we could argue al nite ets is legal now thats it if i want it i will get it if i want stall traps i will make them i use what suits me iam happy thats what counts not ex amount of seconds

[THE FIFER]

 

 

Sorry fifer my mistake did'nt know you had'nt read all the posts on this thread before joining in,that would explainn your confusion. If you check back you'll see what we were discussing.

 

To be fair its hard to catch up if you have not been involved in the "discusions" all the best fifer.

 

yes and mine to, i think we are on different times ,i was talking about when the clocks first came out and the  time differences were worked out by 3 different clubs, i can see now you are talking about the present president, i was not on the council during his time, so new nothing about his proposals, my apologies.

 

 

[Fair Play]

Heard a story of a fancier "clocking" the first eleven in the club true or not leaves food for thought could't see that happening with manual clocking no matter how good your birds were

[ALF]

Heard a story of a fancier "clocking" the first eleven in the club true or not leaves food for thought could't see that happening with manual clocking no matter how good your birds were

 

IT'S TRUE AND I KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE GUY IS A TOP FLIER AND IF THOSE WERE THE BEST 11 DOOS IN THE CLUB THAT DAY WHATS YOUR PROBLEM??? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[Fair Play]

Didn't say I had a problem just repeated a story i had heard about some guy in Yorkshire or thereabouts. If you really know the guy pass on my regards and well done.

[ALF]

Didn't say I had a problem just repeated a story i had heard about some guy in Yorkshire or thereabouts. If you really know the guy pass on my regards and well done.

 

THE MAN IN QUESTION HAPPENS TO BE A VERY GOOD FLIER AND YES HE TOOK THE 1ST 11 IN THE CLUB AND I'VE HEARD THEY WILL BE WELL UP IN THE FED ASWELL SO I WONT HAVE A PROBLEM BEING BEATEN BY A GREAT PERFORMANCE LIKE THAT ;)

[Guest]

 

Well you are the man Bruno did the President indicte a 15 second penalty for using Ets was fair and reasonable or did he not ? If he did Roland's estimate of 17 seconds is in the right ball park ain't it!!

 

 

You are correct in that in an SHU letter signed by John Barlow, he proposed a time penalty - 5 seconds - on ETS users. I remember thinking at the time that such a proposal was basically a declaration that ETS gave advantage over conventional clocking. We had only 2 ETS users in the club at that time, and one was the acknowledged club champion - Hugh said he was perfectly willing to give 5 seconds. But that wouldn't have made one blind bit of difference because in the year before with an STB and racing 17? widowhood cocks, the partnership had 15 x 1st, including 5 x 1st Fed.

 

Nothing came of the proposal and in my opinion it was quietly dropped because if adopted it would have been seen as an admission that ETS gave advantage.

 

I am confident my recollection is correct, that it was 5 seconds, because it tallied with Hugh's statement the following year on 'double clocking' his 3rd Section D SNFC Newbury, where the difference in times was 8 seconds, an 8 second advantage using ETS..

 

Based on that evidence I have proposed in many posts since that the best way to introduce ETS is to equip the full club - level playing field clocks-wise, and use grant-aid, level playing field cost-wise. More recently I've posted on possible change of rules to dispense with use of thimbles in conventional clocks, which I'm sure would save 5-8 seconds. I'm sure others will have similar time-saving ideas, and I'm all for that but time penalty is not the way to go, since it penalises someone who may just have spent nearly £300 on a new clocking system when no such time penalty was levelled on the last new clock, the T3.

 

[Guest]

Heard a story of a fancier "clocking" the first eleven in the club true or not leaves food for thought could't see that happening with manual clocking no matter how good your birds were

 

J&H McGlynn took first 10 positions in Laurieston club few years back, Ripon comeback race, 157 miles.

[Fair Play]

Only 10 in the race? ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Only 10 in the race? ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

No all the result meant was that someone else in the club managed to get a bird before Joe & Hugh got their 11th.  ;D

[Harry P]

a lad by me with ets and a stall trap timed his birds in the differance was 3 seconds  

[Harry P]

here was a man not far from me how took the first 17 in club and fed with a t3 and on open doors i seen this with my own eyes but he was one of or the first men to be on thr dark system

[Fair Play]

First is great,1,2&3 Brilliant, anything above that is exceptional flying something we all aspire to but with little chance of achieving - the ultimate dream. I would be glad just to time a bird it's like getting the stabilisers off the bike or catching your first fish or getting  awe well better leave it there:).

[swilcox]

On saturday i took 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th timing into a T3, i had 6 come together and by the time i had clocked the 3rd pigeon ten more were hammering around, it was a struggle to get the 4th and i missed me pool pigeon and then fell over dropping all the thimbles through the grills :'(.

 

In reality with ets i could have had a dream result , first 10 or more even as it i must be happy with the prizes i had!!!! Esp being its my first year in the Towers club in Bristol

 

Stuart

[Guest Paulo]

On saturday i took 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th timing into a T3, i had 6 come together and by the time i had clocked the 3rd pigeon ten more were hammering around, it was a struggle to get the 4th and i missed me pool pigeon and then fell over dropping all the thimbles through the grills :'(.

 

In reality with ets i could have had a dream result , first 10 or more even as it i must be happy with the prizes i had!!!! Esp being its my first year in the Towers club in Bristol

 

Stuart

 

bet you enjoyed it through thats half the excitement fumbling on with the timble thinking faster faster and then cocking something up don't get that with a glorified supermarket scanner

[Roland]

Was two weeks centre spread in the RP / BHW. That doesn't suprise me none. What does thaough is how many say they missed it. IT was carried over a two week period. And also some sensible guide lines, and praised the british fancier for being of a more concerning nature. Likewis, for instance how a dead bird can win etc. But then again the MARKING station will have to be very warey and on the ball full stop. And yes of course it is here to stay.

Just hope most of the members will be.

But it is a blumming good thing, and I hope one day very soon EVERYONE has one.

[Harry P]

 

bet you enjoyed it through thats half the excitement fumbling on with the timble thinking faster faster and then cocking something up don't get that with a glorified supermarket scanner

if he had the ets he would have had a true record of all his birds and recorded his true race and stoped all the knockers saying and i had 10 birds together.

and if u look at all of your print outs at the end of the year it will stop u from culling the wrong birds and help u keep all the right ones and also inprove your chance of getting a first with your old birds.

[barlbyloft]

well i was getting a new loft but i will wait for that now and wait and see if i can compeat with my t3 against ets if not think i will call it a day

[barlbyloft]

some of you may say if you can aford a new loft you can aford a ets. maybe yes i need both and im only going to spend so much on pigeons and these days its over the top.

[PIGEON_MAN]

If you got the birds and the know how you will compete against the guy with ETS even if you got a TOULET,when are some of you guys going to realise it,s not the clocking system that makes you a good fancier.