the biggest threat to pigeon racing

[chickadee]

I think that hawks are definately on the up as there are a lot more of them around now, and the price of bird seed is another issue as more and more fanciers are cutting down on their stock because they can't afford to keep them.

[Merlin]

The whole set up is out of date,founded and based on an era,when it was basic simplicity itself,none of the above were an issue then, the fancy also being totally different,very little money about,lots of friendiless,characters,goodwill,and a feeling of camaradie,now its like many things,with a dog eat dog attitude in many cases,rules introduced yearly propping up others that have been exploited,sadly no forward planning at the top,lurching along blindly on yearly basis,a particulr case in point being introduction of E.T.S. against wishes of majority,based on an assumpation,did we need extra aggro this has/will cause,when we already have so many problems ,back to basics drawing board,wipe out start again,with the whole lot. With hindsight the biggest prolem is certainily ourselves. Me and You.

[timbarra]

 

How true Stuart, a very succesful pigeon flier in Sheffield once said to me 'pigeon racing wold be fantastic, if only it didn't have fanciers!!!!!

 

yes, but does stuart include himself in on that, and i think it very unjust to aim the arrow at fanciers, it was a question open to opinion , and i think that stuarts opinion is his own, but do remember novices and young fanciers look at these posts, all that seems to go on here is fighting and petty arguements, so does these comments cover ones self ????

 

can we never put a positive spin on things...?

 

greetings and all that jazz

 

spencer (The DOG)

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

APATHY

[Guest shadow]

APATHY

 

very true in every club all want to race pigeons but VERY FEW want to do any jobs its always the few faithful that keep going

 

 

[cemetary]

Always the same guys that doo everything in the club, the others just sit back and watch, it would be better if all mucked in, makes things a lot easier.

[ch pied]

The whole set up is out of date,founded and based on an era,when it was basic simplicity itself,none of the above were an issue then, the fancy also being totally different,very little money about,lots of friendiless,characters,goodwill,and a feeling of camaradie,now its like many things,with a dog eat dog attitude in many cases,rules introduced yearly propping up others that have been exploited,sadly no forward planning at the top,lurching along blindly on yearly basis,a particulr case in point being introduction of E.T.S. against wishes of majority,based on an assumpation,did we need extra aggro this has/will cause,when we already have so many problems ,back to basics drawing board,wipe out start again,with the whole lot. With hindsight the biggest prolem is certainily ourselves. Me and You.

agreed , also the first time louis mazza paid £500 for a bird , we were on the down hill slope , it was him that set the presedent of spiraling price's , from the 60's to this day , some say he provided afforadable pigeon's to the fancy , and some got real lucky , think of the number's churned out on a yearly basis,,,rant over

 

 

[cemetary]

The amount of birds he churns out, and how much winners are reported within the year, the price of corn isnt helping out either, nearly every month the corn has to go up.

 

 

I cant mind the last time, a new fancier came into our club, why because of the things that are going on with the price of things.

 

[Simeon Turner]

 

yes, but does stuart include himself in on that, and i think it very unjust to aim the arrow at fanciers, it was a question open to opinion , and i think that stuarts opinion is his own, but do remember novices and young fanciers look at these posts, all that seems to go on here is fighting and petty arguements, so does these comments cover ones self ????

 

can we never put a positive spin on things...?

 

greetings and all that jazz

 

spencer (The DOG)

 

Spencer, I agree that novices and young fanciers look at these posts - BUT, it is not only on this site where things are said - I bet every club in the country has some sort of bickering going on, people need to be aware of how it really is, not just the 'dream' that everything is 'heaven' when it isn't

 

At the end of the day who else causes the problems for us ?

 

At the end of the day, most of the agruements that go on are due to jeolousy and nothing else, how many times do you hear about a fancier not winning anything being bad mouthed, very rarely, most of the time people are whinging about people who win....

 

Certain 'fanciers' don't help us in the public eye anyway, they just make us look worse than we are.

 

I would love a world where we can cut out the 'politics' and just get on with what we all love and that is just racing our bllody pigeons..................

 

[Tony C]

Apathy!

I'll second that

 

[Roland]

 

sorry mate iv'e got to ask?

 

Exploitation of the plebes... by the 'haves' is and has been by far the biggest singular detrimental to this so - called sport. From manipulation of Libs sites, to feathering their own nests, self interests and 'Bully for us and stuff you' brigade. The lead has been passed on and down from so called 'Nationals' to Combine almo, feds and sadly even clubs.

Petty banning, and all to often that silly lame scudge of blaming 'Jealousy' every time a legit realistic probe / question is asked. This has stunk through the rank and file from the RPRA down to most committees. All to benefit self / friends interests.

That is the real bigger picture, and all to often ballyhooed and belittled as sour grapes. They have given up and left rather than put up and be took not only advantage of, but not willing to put hard earnt money into the coffers of the 'More affluent / better postioned. AND when tey state the obvious and simple facts it is the next silly scenario 'They would have left any way... just looking for an excuse' crap! Blantantently turning deaf ears and ridiculing the truth.... which is acceptable because 'IT ISN'T in their own interests#!

[Guest Vic]

Years ago, when people had respect for each other, pigeon racing was a joy to behold! Some of those , no longer with us, would turn in their graves if they knew the damage that has been inflicted on this beautiful game of pigeon racing, by the "new breed" of fanciers. Treble and double barrelled syndicates  are popping up more than ever, adding pressure to guys who are struggling to remain in the game. I won out of turn years ago, and was treated with respect by true sportsmen at the time. In the last fifteen years,  I have been top prizewinner  regularly, but  but  find that the modern fancier would shake your neck before shaking the hand. This is Not the only reason for our decline, in fact I could write a book on it! God Bless the honest ones amongst us.   Vic  

[DOVEScot]

The ever changing society that we live in, gone are the days of community sports and pastimes.

I grew up in a mining community and the the whole scheme of houses were miners and quite a few kept pigeons, but there was always infighting, break aways, moaners and groaners that could do it better if they had a job they never wanted in all sports, cats, jealousy, sabotage, cheating or some other excuse why they had trouble winning to argue about.

End of the day majority of people want spectator sports that is why one loft races are taking off, do not need to keep pigeons to be a part of it. You only way you get media coverage is if it is TV friendly and they can get people to watch it. A camera in every loft no chance, a camera in one loft where the prize money is significant now that will get the public interested, especially if they can join in and side bet.

How many race punters have dreamed about owning their own horse and winning the grand national ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It will be the same with pigeons shortly :-/

 

Just enjoy your pigeons for what ever reason you have them and make the most of it

[Guest Vic]

If they get their way

The ever changing society that we live in, gone are the days of community sports and pastimes.

I grew up in a mining community and the the whole scheme of houses were miners and quite a few kept pigeons, but there was always infighting, break aways, moaners and groaners that could do it better if they had a job they never wanted in all sports, cats, jealousy, sabotage, cheating or some other excuse why they had trouble winning to argue about.

End of the day majority of people want spectator sports that is why one loft races are taking off, do not need to keep pigeons to be a part of it. You only way you get media coverage is if it is TV friendly and they can get people to watch it. A camera in every loft no chance, a camera in one loft where the prize money is significant now that will get the public interested, especially if they can join in and side bet.

How many race punters have dreamed about owning their own horse and winning the grand national ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It will be the same with pigeons shortly :-/

 

Just enjoy your pigeons for what ever reason you have them and make the most of it

  If the greedy *expletive removed* get their way! Maybe?

 

 

[jimmy white]

Years ago, when people had respect for each other, pigeon racing was a joy to behold! Some of those , no longer with us, would turn in their graves if they knew the damage that has been inflicted on this beautiful game of pigeon racing, by the "new breed" of fanciers. Treble and double barrelled syndicates  are popping up more than ever, adding pressure to guys who are struggling to remain in the game. I won out of turn years ago, and was treated with respect by true sportsmen at the time. In the last fifteen years,  I have been top prizewinner  regularly, but  but  find that the modern fancier would shake your neck before shaking the hand. This is Not the only reason for our decline, in fact I could write a book on it! God Bless the honest ones amongst us.   Vic  

i agree :'(

so could i vic,, ;D ;D ;D,,,,,,,,,,,,when do we start writting  

[Guest Vic]

Jim, We can smell 'em coming now, Can't we? lol

[Chris Little]

Jealousy, poor sportsmanship, backstabbing, breakaway clubs

ETS - multiple clocking of dozens of birds

Pigeon Dealers

More emphasis now on how much a bird wins as opposed to its performance

Red Tape

 

I could go on

[Guest Vic]

Nice One, Chris! Good luck always!

[Guest spin cycle]

i think the fancy is being a bit hard on itself because lots of pastimes/organisations are struggling to recruit not only members but workers. there is simply more choice for people when it comes to leisure. the biggest threat to us is club closure due to club officials quitting because of hassle they get for whatever reason. plenty of people want to fly but they don't want to work. when a club runs out of workers it dies and those left who still want to fly have to pack up anyway.  for these reasons i've voted for ets as it is causing the most infighting at the moment.......but i think,come the autumn, corn prices may prove the final straw for many.  

[Guest Vic]

i think the fancy is being a bit hard on itself because lots of pastimes/organisations are struggling to recruit not only members but workers. there is simply more choice for people when it comes to leisure. the biggest threat to us is club closure due to club officials quitting because of hassle they get for whatever reason. plenty of people want to fly but they don't want to work. when a club runs out of workers it dies and those left who still want to fly have to pack up anyway.  for these reasons i've voted for ets as it is causing the most infighting at the moment.......but i think,come the autumn, corn prices may prove the final straw for many.  

 

Good Comment!

[Lennut Tar]

Years ago, when people had respect for each other, pigeon racing was a joy to behold! Some of those , no longer with us, would turn in their graves if they knew the damage that has been inflicted on this beautiful game of pigeon racing, by the "new breed" of fanciers. Treble and double barrelled syndicates  are popping up more than ever, adding pressure to guys who are struggling to remain in the game. I won out of turn years ago, and was treated with respect by true sportsmen at the time. In the last fifteen years,  I have been top prizewinner  regularly, but  but  find that the modern fancier would shake your neck before shaking the hand. This is Not the only reason for our decline, in fact I could write a book on it! God Bless the honest ones amongst us.   Vic  

 

Good post old fellow !!!!!!! A lot of truth there ?????????. You write that book now "PMSL" but don't shout at us like you have in the past here, or you may not sell to many copies "JMO".

PS. Can I get a free copy, if you do.

Enjoy

 

 

[DOVEScot]

If they get their way  If the greedy *expletive removed* get their way! Maybe?

 

 

Greedy *expletive removed* or not, like it or not, it is the only way pigeon racing will become tv friendly which is how sports are going for the majority of the population

Gone are the days sadly we might say are the community sports where we all join in and follow the popular sports held in your area.

We now have mega bowls, mega cinemas, mega tvs, mega mortgages and now mega prices for feeding :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[stevebelbin]

Think this thread should also include the increasing cost of fuel and corn etc. Fuel is apparently set to rise to approx. £1.50/litre in the not to distant future and corn is going up and up to etc.

 

The old days of putting a few birds in a basket and riding a pushbike a few mile up the road may return (which may not be a bad thing lol)

[retired]

Corn prices for me think it is getting crazy

[DOVEScot]

Years ago, when people had respect for each other, pigeon racing was a joy to behold! Some of those , no longer with us, would turn in their graves if they knew the damage that has been inflicted on this beautiful game of pigeon racing, by the "new breed" of fanciers. Treble and double barrelled syndicates  are popping up more than ever, adding pressure to guys who are struggling to remain in the game. I won out of turn years ago, and was treated with respect by true sportsmen at the time. In the last fifteen years,  I have been top prizewinner  regularly, but  but  find that the modern fancier would shake your neck before shaking the hand. This is Not the only reason for our decline, in fact I could write a book on it! God Bless the honest ones amongst us.   Vic  

 

Aye what about the number of fanciers that have had their lifetimes work wiped away in one night by the thugs and the vindictive who slaughter their birds in many number of ways, from ripping the heads off their birds to burning their lofts to the ground destroying not only the birds, lofts and property but the fanciers life as they knew it :-/