Guest Vic Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 About a month ago, a yb returned , after being missing for 4 weeks. I handled and examined it before letting it in to my yb loft. It was ok and looked really well, but on the 4th morning, after entering the loft, I found it in a sitting position on it perch. It could not fly or walk, and was breathing through an open beak, so I isolated it, and it died within an hour. I believe that there is a sickness within our ybs that has not yet been detected, so I phoned the Liverpool University up, which I have used throughout the years once or twice, without any cost whatsoever. I asked them to perform a post mortem on the dead bird, but was told that things have changed, and there is now a charge. I asked How Much and was told that with it being a reasonably small creature, it would be in the region of £30. SO THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT IF THEY COULD DIAGNOSE THE COMPLAINT. (continued ) because of time.
Guest 67ghirl Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Sorry Vic is there a bit of this story missing? or am I just being stupid? (nothing new there!) We had something similar a few years back and the Vet asked for a 'fresh' Bird for PM. One was on it's last legs so was 'helped on it's way', sent to the Vetinary college and came back with this Diagnosis - Cause of Death - Broken Neck!!!!!! Glad to say the Vet waived the £25 fee. Never did find out what the problem was.
Guest spin cycle Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Sorry Vic is there a bit of this story missing? or am I just being stupid? (nothing new there!) We had something similar a few years back and the Vet asked for a 'fresh' Bird for PM. One was on it's last legs so was 'helped on it's way', sent to the Vetinary college and came back with this Diagnosis - Cause of Death - Broken Neck!!!!!! Glad to say the Vet waived the £25 fee. Never did find out what the problem was. no not stupid...i was wondering the same...allthough i am easily confused
Guest Vic Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 The reason I contacted the Uni, was because the majority of vets in Liverpool, just don't wanna know pigeon fanciers. Anyhow, I took the dead bird down to Crown St. and when handing it in, said that it may have someting to do with paratyphoid which I honestly think is running riot throughout the pigeon game, up and down the country. My reason for thinking this way is simple. "A pigeon can be a carrier without showing any signs of illness whatsoever" Yet when it comes to breeding, these infected birds pass it down to their offspring causing death at the weaning stage to some, but NOT ALL. AND THE VICIOUS CIRCLE WILL CARRY ON FOREVER. Anyway, I will now complete my agonising tale. lol Yesterday, I received a four page report from the Uni which contained so many medical and biological words relating to the post mortem, that were for an ordinary layman like myself impssible to understand. They must have thought that I WAS A VET. But wait for it! "The fee for this post mortem is: £106.50 PLUS VAT" I will contest it to the end! Would You?
ALF Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Yesterday, I received a four page report from the Uni which contained so many medical and biological words relating to the post mortem, that were for an ordinary layman like myself impssible to understand. They must have thought that I WAS A VET. But wait for it! "The fee for this post mortem is: £106.50 PLUS VAT" I will contest it to the end! Would You? Too right i would auld yin dont pay it no way ;)
frank-123 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 tom pennycott in ayr charges £35 plus vat and he is the top man in the uk
jimmy_bulger Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 scan the report vic mate and email to me,me dtrs a bsc in bio chemistry she be able to decypher it
Guest Vic Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 JIMMY, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO "MAYBEES" IN THE REPORT, BUT FOR THE REST OF IT? PHEW. A FEW OF THE WORDS USED:- AUTOLYTIS, MUCOSAL ARCHITECTURE, PRESUMPTIVE HAEMORRHAGE, BACTERIAL PROLIFIRATION, INFRAORBITAL SINUS, EPITHELIUM, LAMINA PROPRIA, BASOPHILIC, PROTOZOAL CYSTS, HISTIOCYTIC REACTION.AND PLENTY MORE THAT I CANT SPELL. THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE WORDS FROM ONE PAGE. I'D BETTER SIGN OFF BEFORE THE COMPUTER BLOWS UP. LOL.VIC
Guest Vic Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 scan the report vic mate and email to me,me dtrs a bsc in bio chemistry she be able to decypher it Thanks Jim, I appreciate your offer, but Jonny eleven, from over the water has promised to get the translation sorted for me, Cheers again, Vic.
ChrisMaidment08 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 Thanks Jim, I appreciate your offer, but Jonny eleven, from over the water has promised to get the translation sorted for me, Cheers again, Vic. an eleven year old knows more than all of us its a sad day
jimmy_bulger Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 ok vic mate no prob, keep us all informed think you wetted all our appetites here.jimmy
Roland Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 someting to do with paratyphoid which I honestly think is running riot throughout the pigeon game, up and down the country. My reason for thinking this way is simple. "A pigeon can be a carrier without showing any signs of illness whatsoever" Yet when it comes to breeding, these infected birds pass it down to their offspring causing death at the weaning stage to some, but NOT ALL. AND THE VICIOUS CIRCLE WILL CARRY ON FOREVER. Very true. And I was just about to ask why the dickens hadn't you consulted Johnny 11!!! He speaks well of you too... well did do lol ;D ;D
nogin Posted September 6, 2008 Report Posted September 6, 2008 JIMMY, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO "MAYBEES" IN THE REPORT, BUT FOR THE REST OF IT? PHEW. A FEW OF THE WORDS USED:- AUTOLYTIS, MUCOSAL ARCHITECTURE, PRESUMPTIVE HAEMORRHAGE, BACTERIAL PROLIFIRATION, INFRAORBITAL SINUS, EPITHELIUM, LAMINA PROPRIA, BASOPHILIC, PROTOZOAL CYSTS, HISTIOCYTIC REACTION.AND PLENTY MORE THAT I CANT SPELL. THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE WORDS FROM ONE PAGE. I'D BETTER SIGN OFF BEFORE THE COMPUTER BLOWS UP. LOL.VIC VIC YOUR AN UNCONSIOUS COMEDIAN ;D ;D ;D
Guest Vic Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 VIC YOUR AN UNCONSIOUS COMEDIAN ;D ;D ;D Is that good or bad? Here we go again! lol.
Guest Vic Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Up late tonight, to see the fight Was I right to vent my plight ? Remember this, Vic's not tight! Will pay his dues, if THEY are right. Some see it in a different light, That's the glory of this site. Even if you can't fly a kite Please! try to keep your postings polite. LOL. Love yer Dovey.
celtic Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Rod adams the racing pigeon scribe is very clued up on health issues, pehaps he would be able to help, and explain it in layman's terms for you Vic.
Novice Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Hi Vic, there is no point in paying for something you don't understand. I agree with Bart's comments that Tom Pennicoat at SAC Auchincruive is the best in the buisness. Not only will he do the P.M. but he will take the time to explain the results and propose a course of action.
frank-123 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 also tom pennycott told me of a friend of his a avian vet in falkirk will try and find the link to him sorry cant find a link but here is address Alistair Lawrie 25 Griffiths Street Falkirk, Scotland FK1 5OY Tel: 01324 624361 The Lawrie Veterinary Practice Kenilworth Court North Carbrain Rd Cumbernauld Glasgow Lanarkshire G67 1BP 01236 727876
Guest IB Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 also tom pennycott told me of a friend of his a avian vet in falkirk will try and find the link to him sorry cant find a link but here is address Alistair Lawrie 25 Griffiths Street Falkirk, Scotland FK1 5OY Tel: 01324 624361 The Lawrie Veterinary Practice Kenilworth Court North Carbrain Rd Cumbernauld Glasgow Lanarkshire G67 1BP 01236 727876 Guy and his oppo, Mr Orsi, are avian specialists. Lawrie lectures at Glasgow Veterinary School, one of his lecture subjects was one of my birds, had an infected shoulder joint, infection was NOT salmonella, which is a rod-shaped bacterium, but an unidentified member of the dot-shaped ones, ?coccus.
Guest IB Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 JIMMY, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO "MAYBEES" IN THE REPORT, BUT FOR THE REST OF IT? PHEW. A FEW OF THE WORDS USED:- AUTOLYTIS, MUCOSAL ARCHITECTURE, PRESUMPTIVE HAEMORRHAGE, BACTERIAL PROLIFIRATION, INFRAORBITAL SINUS, EPITHELIUM, LAMINA PROPRIA, BASOPHILIC, PROTOZOAL CYSTS, HISTIOCYTIC REACTION.AND PLENTY MORE THAT I CANT SPELL. THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE WORDS FROM ONE PAGE. I'D BETTER SIGN OFF BEFORE THE COMPUTER BLOWS UP. LOL.VIC Think HAEMORRHAGE, BACTERIAL PROLIFIRATION, PROTOZOAL CYSTS and (maybe) INFRAORBITAL SINUS would be enough to warn anyone the bird had major problems. The last one I think, is the donut-shaped sinus located under the bird's eye.
Guest Vic Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Thanks to Bart and IB for their replys. But it seems I have missed the boat , this time. But no way I will pay, £125.00 for a dead pigeon. I thought that the Uni's were looking for guinea pigs to experiment on, to enlighten one and all, But alas! It seems that somebody is making it into a lucrative business these days. Sad Indeed.
Guest 67ghirl Posted September 7, 2008 Report Posted September 7, 2008 Vic, I would firstly ask them for a detailed breakdown of the costs. If all the tests were done 'on site' this should not pose a problem for them!
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