white racing pigeons that win

[Tony C]

It's probably my geography that's out then Tony, but glad to know I never imagined it!

 

The case for the winning white racing pigeon continues!  

 

I think the survey was indeed carried out in Wales as you stated.

[DeDarren]

That's what it's all about Leroy, enjoyment my friend. And if all else fails for anybody who is racing white'uns but find themselves just off the pace, there's always GPRS!  ;D

 

[Michael J Burden]

I remember reading in the Letters to the Editor page of the BHW about 2 years ago, I think it was a Welsh fancier stating that they had conducted research and tallied results in conjunction with some 'scientific research body' or other (maybe the RSPB in disguise? ) and their results at the end of the trial suggested that pied pigeons had a higher success rate of evading capture, especially those with a lot of white back and tail feathers as they appeared to confuse the pursuing raptor in the moments just prior to their ensuing (failed I assume?) capture as they twisted and turned in the air for their poor lives, and I remember thinking at the time, 'surely this is a wind-up?' (My Dad always used to tell me as a nipper, 'whites were hawk bait' and thus, owning and racing them in the 80's to a small set-up was out of the question, Thatcher was a right b1tch! haha!  )

 

What I cannot remember is if this fancier's finding related to Peregrines or Sparrowhawks or both, but I definitely did read it.

 

Does anybody else remember reading anything of a similar nature at the time, and if so, do they / you have any more information on it?

 

 

I read it and read other stuff too. One team watched the ferals getting caught by the perry, the ones which had no white rumps were taken, ones with white were not. After a while they caught the birds and oainted the white rumps out and the none white rumps had rumps added. The hawks now took the the which had been white rumped but now no white?

 

[DeDarren]

Superb Michael, this is it! I wonder if anybody has an actual copy of the findings?

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have read a similiar article about the white rumped birds being attacked less than the other colors

[tomm1e]

Put WHITE PIGEON HAWK ATTACKS into your search engine: there's a couple

of articles which suggest that birds with white rumps are less likely to be

attacked.

 

It's just possible that white pigeons are less likely to be attacked rather than more.

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

I have a whole loft full of whites I have

Bussharts

Beckharts

Bandits

Delbars

Leen Boers

some from winners and some from losers and I cant get any of them to do any good I got about 30 now and most never make it through training I got them for my girlfriend and she likes them so thats that

 

i lost none of my birds in training,

i only lost 1 Pigeon, in training he was a yellow cock,

the whites did really great, for me,

i just emailed a guy in the city telling him i am buying 4 jannson whites from him,

i lost 2 whites in the last week of flying to cats thats it!

 

i saw my team playing with hawks they tried to attack but no way the could catch ANY birds.

i hate it when my pigeons play with hawks.

 

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

Yes I remember the article, I was told it was a someone from the Portsmouth area that carried out this survey (could possibly be a scribe or ex scribe from the Portsmouth area)

 

trevor black pied jones conducted this in wales then moved then moved and ever since keeos moveing and asking in homeing world for things for loan or buy his study was not corrrect as i lived were he claimed he lived at time i had no prob with hawks yet i lived in brecfa forest were study was done he then moved to bristol never said results that i know of

 

 

[Wiley]

 

The late Dick Hart of Welwyn Garden CIty had two hens out of OMO and they both won many many cards. She was a STASSART as I recall

 

OMO was a white cock   so he was a stassart hehe

[Guest]

Well spotted, HE is what I meant to say. Should know, I handled HIM and also owned both of HIS daughters along with many other Alf Baker Stassarts given to me by Dick Hart shortly before his death.

 

 

I stand corrected  

[Tony C]

trevor black pied jones conducted this in wales then moved then moved and ever since keeos moveing and asking in homeing world for things for loan or buy his study was not corrrect as i lived were he claimed he lived at time i had no prob with hawks yet i lived in brecfa forest were study was done he then moved to bristol never said results that i know of

 

 

But was Terry Black Pied Jones he's real name or he's forum username ?  ;D ;D ;D

[Wiley]

Well spotted, HE is what I meant to say. Should know, I handled HIM and also owned both of HIS daughters along with many other Alf Baker Stassarts given to me by Dick Hart shortly before his death.

 

 

I stand corrected  

 

any of his blood still run through your birds today?

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

But was Terry Black Pied Jones he's real name or he's forum username ?  ;D ;D ;D

 

dont know but i wrote reply to him in book as i was only down rd in west wales from him and pointed out no problem with hawks he never answered ;D ;D

[kirky]

I have whites and grizzles that make up most of my team, but two blues blue w/f and a cheq were the only ones returned hawked.

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

Kirky

when most of your team is white and a few grays the Grey ones are the ones that will be the best target for the hawks,

but if you have mostly grays and one or 2 whites they are the best targets for the hawks

i have about 80% whites and grizzles, and like you the greys are the ones that i loss the fastest.

[kirky]

Kirky

when most of your team is white and a few grays the Grey ones are the ones that will be the best target for the hawks,

but if you have mostly grays and one or 2 whites they are the best targets for the hawks

i have about 80% whites and grizzles, and like you the greys are the ones that i loss the fastest.

the birds that were hawked were returning from races not flying round the loft.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

the birds that were hawked were returning from races not flying round the loft.

 

 

aye but you had the hen bird sat on your hedge hope you got that 22 camera out of your attic  

[kirky]

 

aye but you had the hen bird sat on your hedge hope you got that 22 camera out of your attic  

turned out to be kestril been here every day on bird table.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

it looked alot bigger

[Guest]

 

any of his blood still run through your birds today?

 

Unfortunately no m8 I had to give up my birds 8 years ago (personal circumstances) but wish I knew someone who had the "OLD STASSARTS" to this day. They were great birds. I started in pigeons in the early 60's in the NL Fed and LNRC amongst the top men in London, Alf Baker included and to win in a 20 mile radius in those days, you had to be good.

[steve]

well id like to give 4 a try maybe 6 in a section on their own !!!!!!!!!!!! i might just get them for her and let around the loft ive ordered 2 already ...cheers gladdo

 

if you want another 2 breeding

send me 2 rings in new year  

and ill breed you apair of whites if you can sort out collection for her  

 

 

[DeDarren]

 

Unfortunately no m8 I had to give up my birds 8 years ago (personal circumstances) but wish I knew someone who had the "OLD STASSARTS" to this day. They were great birds. I started in pigeons in the early 60's in the NL Fed and LNRC amongst the top men in London, Alf Baker included and to win in a 20 mile radius in those days, you had to be good.

 

I've just had a gander through one of my old stud books (BHW 2001) and there is a partnership by the name of C. McEwan & Son of Luton, whose breeding establishment is known as Patricia Lofts and their contact numbers are 01582 615 467 or 01462 769 032.

 

THE ORIGINAL ALF BAKER CHAMPION STASSART BLOODLINES is how they are advertising their stock and it also says Occasional Silvers for sale, price on application.

 

Bearing in mind this advert was 7 years ago, but I hope this helps Bob!  

 

 

[Guest]

my mate has lost three birds the last two weeks of the loft but not whites,we have a hundred whites and only ever lost one in th last two years.so dont worry about buying white birds.

[Guest]

 

I've just had a gander through one of my old stud books (BHW 2001) and there is a partnership by the name of C. McEwan & Son of Luton, whose breeding establishment is known as Patricia Lofts and their contact numbers are 01582 615 467 or 01462 769 032.

 

THE ORIGINAL ALF BAKER CHAMPION STASSART BLOODLINES is how they are advertising their stock and it also says Occasional Silvers for sale, price on application.

 

Bearing in mind this advert was 7 years ago, but I hope this helps Bob!  

 

Thanks for that m8. I don't suppose there was an address for "Patricia Lofts" was there?

 

 

 

[swilcox]

The best pigeons are those that are tried and tested and based on results, to me all colours can win however if pigeons are bred from due to there colour and colour alone and not there ability to race your chances of winning with such lines are reduced.

 

A guy in our town won the 1st Open Pau NFC in 1966 with a bird called White Willy.