white racing pigeons that win

[jimmy white]

i have a pair now tractor boy ,,,van whites, whites ;D ;D ;D

true

[peterpau]

Champion Virgo was indeed a white Kirpatrick and a national winner to boot. I have a near white Kirky x Spangle winner flown Perth Pau and Palamos. He has been hawked twice but then so have others in the pen. I have bought three white Busschaerts from Massarella, but then the Busschaerts have also flown Perth and Pau and scored. Good pigeons are good pigeons what ever colour or strain.

[mark]

hawks will take the slow birds or sick birds no mater what colouer they are ? how many times have you heard flyers say im having problems with hawks , do we presume they all have white s , i dont think so

 

a hawk hs no preference to colour.

[blaz]

try warren foster my mate bought a rapido bussharte it broke both legs as young bird he fixed them then trained him for 1st ever xmus race and won then bread 2 birds from him to top pentland fed i am sure he won a tv a xmus race to, this bird had to come through the snow that day and jim did not see him at 1st being pure white so he named him the GHOST

[BANDIT]

STARTED THE YB SEASON WITH 23 FIRST ROUNDERS OF WHICH 4 WERE PURE WHITES, AT THE END OF THE SEASON i HAD LOST 1  WHITE WHICH IS 25% AND 12 OTHER COLOURS. THEY WERE SLOWER THAN THE REST BUT FLEW OUT TO 125 MILES. HALKS TAKE EVERY COLOUR AS WE KNOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT WIRES, BEING SHOT AND BAD LIBS T,AKE ITS TOLL  IF ITS A GOOD ONE ITS A GOOD ONE BUT EVERY TIME YOU SEND THE CHANCES INCREASE THEY WONT COME BACK .OUT OF A LIB OF 10000 BIRDS HOW MANY ARE PURE WHITE, ID SAY VERY VERY FEW. BANDIT

[gangster]

real rolands are winning no matter what colour they are  his white grizzles win out of turn...colour means nothing 2 the hawk..

[german owls rock]

i would have thought white birds might have been more blury to a hawk

i thought the would have went after a red or blue bird my self  :-/

[Ronnie]

Heya Gladdo mate my uncle had a race team of whites not sure where from i will find out for you.Now he didnt do to much with them allthough they came home from anywhere they was just to slow unless it was a really hard race then they would be there.Well he was on about getting shut of em because people where laughing at them all the time(even though his other birds where doing well) so to give them another chance he crossed them with a few of his other racers this year.Now he has some real nice grizzle's that scored near on every race as youngsters and he has high hopes for next year with em as yearling's.Maybe to keep them white there is to much inbreeding so it may pay to outcross them then cross them back in.

[tomm1e]

Heya Gladdo mate my uncle had a race team of whites not sure where from i will find out for you.Now he didnt do to much with them allthough they came home from anywhere they was just to slow unless it was a really hard race then they would be there.Well he was on about getting shut of em because people where laughing at them all the time(even though his other birds where doing well) so to give them another chance he crossed them with a few of his other racers this year.Now he has some real nice grizzle's that scored near on every race as youngsters and he has high hopes for next year with em as yearling's.Maybe to keep them white there is to much inbreeding so it may pay to outcross them then cross them back in.

 

Another possibility is to cross one white family with another. That way you

keep your white pigeons and maybe get that increased vigour that comes

with a cross.

 

[peterpau]

I dunno but I think you get more pieds and white's by inbreeding. Kind of think if you get two inbred whites, from different families there should be a good chance you will throw good young 'uns. I'm gonna give it a go we will see.

[Wiley]

the best white pigeon in my mind was alf bakers 'OMO'

[Guest]

the best white pigeon in my mind was alf bakers 'OMO'

 

The late Dick Hart of Welwyn Garden CIty had two hens out of OMO and they both won many many cards. She was a STASSART as I recall

[Guest]

oooops forgot to ad that both hens were white ;D

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

I hate it when people talk about whites,

get Delbars,

or logens

white Jansens

or white Soontjents,

 

i prefer the Jannsen

and soontjents

they fly really good,

 

and FYI how can whites ever bee good if they are not bred to be good because they are always thrown from lofts

because some guy says they are hawk bait because they heard it from other guys who have never had them.

have you ever thought if someone took the time with whites and did good,

they would make a fortune,

 

get yourself some whites don't listen to any other people.

whites do good for me,

but it took 4 years to find the right ones,

i had to fly them in from Ottawa

 

 

 

[Guest puresoontjen]

theres a few thoughs  and tips to go on do the right thing for your daughter get her some and give it ago

[tomm1e]

MBpigeonguy, what family are the white pigeons that are

doing well for you?

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

MBpigeonguy, what family are the white pigeons that are

doing well for you?

 

soontjents,

do best for me, and a few guys have offspring off my soontjents and they do great,

 

2 guys have jannsens and they fly great too.

 

and 2 guys have delbars which are really good,

 

i have them all,

doing equal as good.

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

and then there are those whites which you don't know what breed they are, they are good too,

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have a whole loft full of whites I have

Bussharts

Beckharts

Bandits

Delbars

Leen Boers

some from winners and some from losers and I cant get any of them to do any good I got about 30 now and most never make it through training I got them for my girlfriend and she likes them so thats that

[DeDarren]

I broke my novice status in the mighty Liverpool Amal from 5,129 pigeons by 12 minutes with a white pied cock many moons ago. Sadly for me, I lost him a year later over the pond. Oh yes, the very many harsh lessons we must learn in our pigeoneering careers!

 

He came from a Cattrysse hen I was gifted by a very kind Mr Vic & John Draper from the Faringdon, Oxon area. John still advertises in the BHW most weeks mainly DePruts and others, but still, his white Cattrysse pop up for sale from time to time.

 

The 2 original hens I had from Messrs Draper, would fly and fly and fly for hours every day, much longer than the other bag of strags I had in my back-alley way set-up back then, which was a haven for a very large and oft' marauding legion of feral cats I might add.

 

Their offspring were very honest pigeons for me, indeed my better performances at that time were thanks in part to their offspring, crossed with anything and everything I had in my lofts, DeBaeres, Verheyes, Busschaerts and even a very good Boeykens pigeon from a Mr Fletcher of Bolton that came in as a stray and was partly responsible for winners in the following 2 generations of breeding!

 

Coming back to the present (and wiping a nostalgic tear from my eye  ) the white and white grizzle Camiel Cardons have done really well in the Liverpool Amal area for the past 3-4 seasons, most notably for a partnership by the name of Mick & Adam O'Hara, who fly in the Maghull H.S. Also for others with the white grizzles of the Walter Docx family.

 

There is also another chap, Ray Baker who advertises them in the BHW as 'Ray's White Rockets' which are possibly the Cardons, crossed with the nouveau coveted Roland Janssens. He publishes his results in his adverts too and they seem to be winning for Ray and for the others who have them off him.

 

A club mate of mine also recently 'broke his duck' in our club with a white grizzle Camiel Cardon in what is a pretty competitive club, so there are some good whites out there and the more there are filling the skies, the more chance you should have of getting one through!  

 

Not forgetting the pure white Van Reet Tranquility Lofts auctioned off for charitable causes in 2005, the only such pigeon they had ever bred from that family apparently. I think it made well over a grand, some cash for hawk-bait or a dropper, though I doubt I would be racing it at that price either!

 

I remember reading in the Letters to the Editor page of the BHW about 2 years ago, I think it was a Welsh fancier stating that they had conducted research and tallied results in conjunction with some 'scientific research body' or other (maybe the RSPB in disguise? ) and their results at the end of the trial suggested that pied pigeons had a higher success rate of evading capture, especially those with a lot of white back and tail feathers as they appeared to confuse the pursuing raptor in the moments just prior to their ensuing (failed I assume?) capture as they twisted and turned in the air for their poor lives, and I remember thinking at the time, 'surely this is a wind-up?' (My Dad always used to tell me as a nipper, 'whites were hawk bait' and thus, owning and racing them in the 80's to a small set-up was out of the question, Thatcher was a right b1tch! haha!  )

 

What I cannot remember is if this fancier's finding related to Peregrines or Sparrowhawks or both, but I definitely did read it.

 

Does anybody else remember reading anything of a similar nature at the time, and if so, do they / you have any more information on it?

[Tony C]

 

I remember reading in the Letters to the Editor page of the BHW about 2 years ago, I think it was a Welsh fancier stating that they had conducted research and tallied results in conjunction with some 'scientific research body' or other (maybe the RSPB in disguise? ) and their results at the end of the trial suggested that pied pigeons had a higher success rate of evading capture, especially those with a lot of white back and tail feathers as they appeared to confuse the pursuing raptor in the moments just prior to their ensuing (failed I assume?) capture as they twisted and turned in the air for their poor lives, and I remember thinking at the time, 'surely this is a wind-up?' (My Dad always used to tell me as a nipper, 'whites were hawk bait' and thus, owning and racing them in the 80's to a small set-up was out of the question, Thatcher was a right b1tch! haha!  )

 

What I cannot remember is if this fancier's finding related to Peregrines or Sparrowhawks or both, but I definitely did read it.

 

Does anybody else remember reading anything of a similar nature at the time, and if so, do they / you have any more information on it?

 

Yes I remember the article, I was told it was a someone from the Portsmouth area that carried out this survey (could possibly be a scribe or ex scribe from the Portsmouth area)

 

 

[Guest gladdo]

well id like to give 4 a try maybe 6 in a section on their own !!!!!!!!!!!! i might just get them for her and let around the loft ive ordered 2 already ...cheers gladdo

[DeDarren]

It's probably my geography that's out then Tony, but glad to know I never imagined it!

 

The case for the winning white racing pigeon continues!  

[Leroy]

Im thoroughly enjoying this thread guys, as I keep a dozen whites for enjoyment not racing, but the more I read the more I want to put them to the test! I have mainly logans from two different lines and one busshaert hen. Thinking of crossing all 3 lines for a bit of vigour....

 

Just about to move house 30 miles thugh so will have to start again next year and put the current birds to stock. Anyone on here from the Todmorden Homing Society or nearby willing to babysit a newbie??????

 

Lee

[Tony C]

It's probably my geography that's out then Tony, but glad to know I never imagined it!

 

The case for the winning white racing pigeon continues!  

 

I think the survey was indeed carried out in Wales as you stated.