Roland Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Any Hot Rod, in the 'Confines' is different galore to in the 'Confined' so that is why say Unikon say that a pad under the 'Landing Board' is within the confides of the loft! Not Confined within the loft. Simple that, whether one has a ET or not.
brerjr17 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 The RPRA rule states that the pads should be in the confines of the loft or trapping system, the above trap is perfectly legal, theres nothing stopping a bird flying out again after timing it through open doors. just seems like the anti ETS brigade wants something else to moan about, ETS is here and its here to stay.
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 your's are not, ??) neither are yours ;D ;D ;D
hotrod Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 The RPRA rule states that the pads should be in the confines of the loft or trapping system, the above trap is perfectly legal, theres nothing stopping a bird flying out again after timing it through open doors. just seems like the anti ETS brigade wants something else to moan about, ETS is here and its here to stay. im not anti ets, i think the wording of some rules are wrong thats all ,by the way the shu rules on that are worded differently
Guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 neither are yours ;D ;D ;D well you never gave me enough cable, :B
hotrod Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Any Hot Rod, in the 'Confines' is different galore to in the 'Confined' so that is why say Unikon say that a pad under the 'Landing Board' is within the confides of the loft! Not Confined within the loft. Simple that, whether one has a ET or not. were talking about the shu rule not the rpra rule ,anyway why is pad allowed to be outside the loft under boards etc why not inside the loft simple and no arguements
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 well you never gave me enough cable, :B 40 metres should be enough for anybody :-/
brerjr17 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 im not anti ets, i think the wording of some rules are wrong thats all ,by the way the shu rules on that are worded differently fair enough, just get a bit fed up with people knocking this type of trap, i had it all last year and had to prove its legality.I completely agree with you on different organisations and indiferent rules, they should all get together and sort out the same rules for the whole fancy
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 im not anti ets, i think the wording of some rules are wrong thats all ,by the way the shu rules on that are worded differently SHU Rule 11 ETS can only record the arrival time after the bird has entered the loft.
hotrod Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 fair enough, just get a bit fed up with people knocking this type of trap, i had it all last year and had to prove its legality.I completely agree with you on different organisations and indiferent rules, they should all get together and sort out the same rules for the whole fancy listen mate i race against a few guys in my club that use it i,ve never seen where their pads are and dont know if they have been checked by officials ,im not knocking it at all i just think that the pad should be behind bob wires or something and checked and sealed in place to be fair on everybody thats all
hotrod Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 SHU Rule 11 ETS can only record the arrival time after the bird has entered the loft. there you are, its what ive been saying THE BIRD HAS ENTERED THE LOFT end of story thanks naedoo,s
joe61 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 the trap once fitted to the loft becomes part of the loft so a pad under landing board would be ok ??what do you guys think oh happy days daffy duck
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 listen mate i race against a few guys in my club that use it i,ve never seen where their pads are and dont know if they have been checked by officials ,im not knocking it at all i just think that the pad should be behind bob wires or something and checked and sealed in place to be fair on everybody thats all Why don't you just ask if the officials have checked? Rule 22 was deleted this year Sensor pads to be numbered & sealed in position.
breakaway Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 16 lofts in our club all fly to allotments except 1who in their right mind is going to seal their pads into the traps? thieves would be clapping their hands
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 there you are, its what ive been saying THE BIRD HAS ENTERED THE LOFT end of story thanks naedoo,s No so quick, if I was outside the loft and saw the birds sittin inside the trap then they're in the loft as I see it.
naedoos Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 16 lofts in our club all fly to allotments except 1who in their right mind is going to seal their pads into the traps? thieves would be clapping their hands Think that was why the rule was deleted.
joe61 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 sensor pads to be sealed and dont unscrew and move 4ft forward when we leave the garden mate oh happy days
Guest IB Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 SHU Rule 11 ETS can only record the arrival time after the bird has entered the loft. When read in conjunction with SHU Rule 4 - Electronic Timing Systems must be fitted within the loft and Rule 22 - Sensor pads to be numbered & sealed in position, it's clear that the pad must be inside the loft. Most of my club's members have fitted bobwires before the pad. So its bob wires, loft front wall, pad. Can't visualise how the combi trap is fitted to the loft front. Is it landing board, loft outside wall, then pad? If so, OK. But if its landing board, pad, bobwires, loft front wall, then its not.
brerjr17 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 listen mate i race against a few guys in my club that use it i,ve never seen where their pads are and dont know if they have been checked by officials ,im not knocking it at all i just think that the pad should be behind bob wires or something and checked and sealed in place to be fair on everybody thats all I would probably agree with you regarding the positioning of the bob wires, but the RPRA rules say that they dont have to be, regarding sealing pads why should they be sealed? do you seal your T3 into your shed? fanciers can run all aroud the garden with a T3 strapped to them and nobody complains about that, why dont people just accept when the birds are home they home, ETS dosnt make the birds any faster. If some people had there way we would still be running to the corner shop with the rubber.
shotgun tim Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 ITS NOT A DISPUTE EITHER YOU WANT TO BUY THE TRAP OR NOT THE PERSON WHO IS GETTING THEM MADE IS TRYING TO SAVE US MONEY AND YOU GET A BETTER MADE TRAP HE IS GETTING NOTHING OUT OF IT SO STOP BLEATING ABOUT IT DO YOU WANT ONE OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tskyes Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 the trap once fitted to the loft becomes part of the loft so a pad under landing board would be ok ??what do you guys think oh happy days daffy duck U CAN`T PUT A PAD UNDER THE LANDING BOARD IT`S IN THE RULES MATE
hotrod Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I would probably agree with you regarding the positioning of the bob wires, but the RPRA rules say that they dont have to be, regarding sealing pads why should they be sealed? do you seal your T3 into your shed? fanciers can run all aroud the garden with a T3 strapped to them and nobody complains about that, why dont people just accept when the birds are home they home, ETS dosnt make the birds any faster. If some people had there way we would still be running to the corner shop with the rubber. of coarse it makes them faster about 45 seconds thats been proved in the test,s in balerno scotland years ago
Guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 i will argue about something if i know im RIGHT but i dont fall out ,i,ve had loads with my wee pal frankdooman we agree to disagree sometimes, but deep down he knows im always right lol hate to admit it but your right (AGAIN)
Guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Think that was why the rule was deleted. So are you saying that there are shu fanciers with the pads not sealed in pos. nadoos??
Roland Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 were talking about the shu rule not the rpra rule ,anyway why is pad allowed to be outside the loft under boards etc why not inside the loft simple and no arguements Personally I agree with you 100%. Had birds land on landing board, piddle about and fly off onto the roof etc. ... But that is now legal if you have a et. Plus 17 seconds advantage. The rules state so. Like they say, it's here, get use to it.
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