snfc top table

[weecunny]

name them all

[oscar_]

ul get pm not  name them on here  

[eastcoaster]

If you have the names Pm ALL of us .

[Guest 67ghirl]

do you think is right that top man in nat proposed a man that threatens nat with litigation . then noms him for committee

no names please

 

Personally I think this was a very questionable move!

 

I also feel that someone in that position shouldn't be nominating ANYONE, correct me if I'm wrong but if there were too many noms (!!!)  and voting was drawn, would they not having a deciding vote?  :-/

 

[oscar_]

as it was said two posts opinion IAN  you wont get gossip posted on here

[Guest youngzimmy]

i suppose we could always put cameras on the transporter to see if there is any rougery going on oh whit i wid da fir a little fair play

[Guest IB]

do you think is right that top man in nat proposed a man that threatens nat with litigation . then noms him for committee

no names please

 

I know that you don’t really want to hear this, but sometimes missing bits out distorts the picture a lot.

 

What you have missed out here is that this man’s SNFC performances were questioned by some in a whispering campaign, and an official investigation requested without one shred of proof being put forward to substantiate any wrong doing on his part. Anyone put in that position has a right to pursue litigation. What you have also missed out was by accepting the letter, the club exposed itself to litigation, yet this man took no action against it. If he had done so, the club could have been bankrupted. I believe his non-action shows that he stayed very loyal to the club, and continued to serve it to the very end of his time in pigeons. And unlike some, he’s never been on here constantly dragging the good name of the club through the dirt.

 

What you have also missed out was that the club gave him a letter stating he had no case to answer. Later the same year he competed in the YB National, and had 2 pigeons on that result. As far as I know, no Objection was raised to that race result.

 

Yes, the President proposed him; Yes, he also got a Seconder, and No, no-one opposed him for Office. I believe the President proposed him because the man officially had no case to answer, was a tireless worker for the club, and saw his not standing for Committee as a loss. I also noted at that meeting it was very difficult to get nominations for Committee.

 

On the Darker Side, if the President was worried by this man’s future intentions, then keeping him near would have been a master stroke: ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

[The Grass Cutter]

Is this man IB in a different world? I for one did not believe that the person involved was capable of cheating . In the past we supported him through difficult times in his life and considerd him as a friend but having examined the evidence now feel let down by him.

IB please be careful if the letter from the lawyer is produced you and the SNFC may end up looking like idiots.

[Delboy]

Is this man IB in a different world? I for one did not believe that the person involved was capable of cheating . In the past we supported him through difficult times in his life and considerd him as a friend but having examined the evidence now feel let down by him.

IB please be careful if the letter from the lawyer is produced you and the SNFC may end up looking like idiots.

 

Too late, they already do. IB, is this the only attention you get?? coming on to this forum and talking alot of p/sh. The sad thing is that alot of people on P.B may actually believe some of your writings.If they do any homework, they will soon find out the strength of you. You are a contrary, insignificant little man with an undeniable twisted mind.It is without any doubt that you are condoning this mans actions and have done so from the very beginning. The question mark is now definately appearing above your head. There seems to be a link with you and Mr. X for reasons  unknown  and probably better not said. :-/

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

I know that you don’t really want to hear this, but sometimes missing bits out distorts the picture a lot.

 

What you have missed out here is that this man’s SNFC performances were questioned by some in a whispering campaign, and an official investigation requested without one shred of proof being put forward to substantiate any wrong doing on his part. Anyone put in that position has a right to pursue litigation. What you have also missed out was by accepting the letter, the club exposed itself to litigation, yet this man took no action against it. If he had done so, the club could have been bankrupted. I believe his non-action shows that he stayed very loyal to the club, and continued to serve it to the very end of his time in pigeons. And unlike some, he’s never been on here constantly dragging the good name of the club through the dirt.

 

What you have also missed out was that the club gave him a letter stating he had no case to answer. Later the same year he competed in the YB National, and had 2 pigeons on that result. As far as I know, no Objection was raised to that race result.

 

Yes, the President proposed him; Yes, he also got a Seconder, and No, no-one opposed him for Office. I believe the President proposed him because the man officially had no case to answer, was a tireless worker for the club, and saw his not standing for Committee as a loss. I also noted at that meeting it was very difficult to get nominations for Committee.

 

On the Darker Side, if the President was worried by this man’s future intentions, then keeping him near would have been a master stroke: ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

Have refused to answer any of your contrary political quotes for the last 2 months because they do not even warrant a reply "patheticism springs to mind", but this last chance at protecting your blue eye boy and the president of the SNFC is nothing more than what i have said above "Contrary".

With this last fling you have tried it has insulted nearly the whole of the pigeon fraternity abusing there knowledge of the sport, as for a whispering campaign i think not, as it was talked about openly in the majority of circles without exception and that itself was damaging the sport in Scotland.

 

You have quoted served his club well till the end, i would call it trying to save his neck along with the man who proposed him, after all this is the same man who cannot attend any pigeon meetings/functions because he has no friends left in the sport (I.  :B added to the fact that no federation will now let this man in there fed let alone have him in any official capacity, well apart from the SNFC until now.

 

your quoted ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’ - Ian that's the most feeble bit of crap i have ever heard thats the same as saying to the Paedophile live in the same house as these children but don't touch them.

 

Ian "Contrary" Brown you have a strange perverse sense of reality if what is proper or acceptable in the sport of pigeon racing, it is an amature sport and like wise requires as much protection from people like you and also conmen who are in all walks of society,

and yet you come on here to protect your good friend who has now been abolished from your own federation.

 

God help any federation or organisation that has you involved with them.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[johno]

 

Have refused to answer any of your contrary political quotes for the last 2 months because they do not even warrant a reply "patheticism springs to mind", but this last chance at protecting your blue eye boy and the president of the SNFC is nothing more than what i have said above "Contrary".

With this last fling you have tried it has insulted nearly the whole of the pigeon fraternity abusing there knowledge of the sport, as for a whispering campaign i think not, as it was talked about openly in the majority of circles without exception and that itself was damaging the sport in Scotland.

 

You have quoted served his club well till the end, i would call it trying to save his neck along with the man who proposed him, after all this is the same man who cannot attend any pigeon meetings/functions because he has no friends left in the sport (I.  :B added to the fact that no federation will now let this man in there fed let alone have him in any official capacity, well apart from the SNFC until now.

 

your quoted ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’ - Ian that's the most feeble bit of crap i have ever heard thats the same as saying to the Paedophile live in the same house as these children but don't touch them.

 

Ian "Contrary" Brown you have a strange perverse sense of reality if what is proper or acceptable in the sport of pigeon racing, it is an amature sport and like wise requires as much protection from people like you and also conmen who are in all walks of society,

and yet you come on here to protect your good friend who has now been abolished from your own federation.

 

God help any federation or organisation that has you involved with them.  

 

 

God help anyone who is unfortunate to read this drivel. To compare anything involved in pigeon politics to paedophilelia is horrendous.  This is a real underhand attempt at demonising anyone who diagrees with you Gareth. An outrgeous comparison to be made by anyone who is capable of reason. Out of order and highlights a serious lack of judgement. My opinion.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Johno yes it is too strong but it is needed to highlight how much the sport needs to be protected. But coming from you who is banned for ten years counts for nothing.

[Guest stevie-b]

elanco i think u r last comment is totally out of order there are plenty of younger members in the snfc more than capable of taking it forward u dont have to have kept pigeons for 100 years and have a one track mind to be an offical

[eastcoaster]

would not ,could not ,and never will accept mr gutty hen back in our sport guilty as charged in my eyes.

the president is a bit of a pain and should or will be removed at the agm, he fly`s in our club and causes hassle most weeks But to be fair the man was /is doing what he thinks is correct be it bad`ly in most people`s eyes,

the problem we have now is it is getting very personal   he has made mistakes and so will his replacement , what we want on saterday is not a witch hunt but to try and get our club back into profitability insead of leaking money ,we need new idea`s new people with no hidden agenda`s , Delboy you are an experienced doo man as is Gareth and others on here , lets go to the meeting and try and come away with some possitive forward thinking.

 

Ps How did the presentation make a loss????????????

[johno]

Gareth you once more highlight your lack of of reason. I think most on here know I am banned for ten years from the shu. Quite a few seen the paperwork and could not give me a reason for the ban. But that has nothing to do with your underhand attempt to demonise someone to achieve what you perceive as the right outcome. Some of us have a mind of our own and the fact that you think that other peoples posts count for nothing once more says a great deal about the quality of your judgement. My opinion and every individual that visits the site is entitled to be posted here and the let the other posters decide. We do not need someone who thinks they are judge jury and executioner rolled into one. Poor, poor show.

[jock3]

who done the investigation , and the man in question did admit it , this fact

[jock3]

yes johno everyone is entitled to there opinion ur right ,

[Guest IB]

who done the investigation , and the man in question did admit it , this fact

 

Your thread is about the 'SNFC top table' and you asked if the club President's nomination of this man was 'right'. I gave you my opinion on that, and the undisputed facts in the year leading up to that AGM, that I based that reply on.

 

You are now asking me something quite different. Firstly, I do not who in the SNFC did the investigation. Secondly the said investigation did not obtain any admission (of guilt) otherwise the man would not have been told that he had no case to answer.

 

Yes, I too have been told that he admitted to a member of another Fed (around the same time) that he had been cheating. I find it odd that this confidant didn't ask / wasn't told how he managed to do it. That together with the man's emotional state (bereavement) at that time (which landed him in hospital shortly afterwards) has always made me doubt that he was fully aware of what he was saying / doing then. None of his resignations were accepted, so others appear to have thought much the same.

 

 

 

 

  

 

  

[jock3]

as ive said everyone are entitled to there opinion even you ,but i know what he done , and in my opinion he is a cheat ,

[Guest IB]

as ive said everyone are entitled to there opinion even you ,but i know what he done , and in my opinion he is a cheat ,

 

Well, perhaps you can tell us what you know he did. After all, if you know of a hole in SNFC race arrangements which allows cheating, it is only right that it is reported to the club committee so that they are aware of it, and it is stopped for good.

[jock3]

go to the meeting and find out

[Guest IB]

go to the meeting and find out

 

I'll be there.

 

PS I have replied (belatedly) to your PM.

[Guest IB]

 

Have refused to answer any of your contrary political quotes for the last 2 months because they do not even warrant a reply "patheticism springs to mind", but this last chance at protecting your blue eye boy and the president of the SNFC is nothing more than what i have said above "Contrary".

With this last fling you have tried it has insulted nearly the whole of the pigeon fraternity abusing there knowledge of the sport, as for a whispering campaign i think not, as it was talked about openly in the majority of circles without exception and that itself was damaging the sport in Scotland.

 

You have quoted served his club well till the end, i would call it trying to save his neck along with the man who proposed him, after all this is the same man who cannot attend any pigeon meetings/functions because he has no friends left in the sport (I.  :B added to the fact that no federation will now let this man in there fed let alone have him in any official capacity, well apart from the SNFC until now.

 

your quoted ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’ - Ian that's the most feeble bit of crap i have ever heard thats the same as saying to the Paedophile live in the same house as these children but don't touch them.

 

Ian "Contrary" Brown you have a strange perverse sense of reality if what is proper or acceptable in the sport of pigeon racing, it is an amature sport and like wise requires as much protection from people like you and also conmen who are in all walks of society,

and yet you come on here to protect your good friend who has now been abolished from your own federation.

 

God help any federation or organisation that has you involved with them.  

 

 

In this case, my own view consistently checks out as reality. For peer proof of that, you need only look to last year’s SNFC AGM minutes, under Constitution & Rules: your request to re-rubber only one member’s pigeon(s) – described as victimisation by one member - was seen as the wrong course of action, and also exposed the club (to litigation). The whole convoy must be re-rubbered - AGM agreed that for future occasions - guaranteeing fairness as all members are treated the same. It is fair to say that it was your cack-handedness that exposed the club to possible litigation in the first place. The President’s actions of initially going along with your request made matters worse.

 

And the same cack-handedness is evident in the ‘investigation’ fiasco here last year. I predicted the outcome on here, and gave my reasons, amongst which were that the evidence and the way it was collected were so deeply flawed and of such poor quality that it could not stand up in court. The police have since confirmed that there is insufficient evidence (of fraud) and they have dropped the case. The police decision was made known at our Fed AGM, and your friend posted it on here too.

 

And so you are now completely out of touch with reality: no-one was caught cheating in, or thrown out of our Fed.  The man resigned in June / July 08. The truth of the matter is the man was hounded out of pigeons by a long and very obvious vendetta against him - he said as much in a national newspaper report. And further peer proof is also there: at the height of his success his loft was broken into and pigeons & eggs stolen, and even after the allegations became public knowledge, he was still able to give away all his pigeons last year - hundreds of them. I find it odd that anyone would want a cheat’s pigeons - stolen or free - what possible use would people have for them?

 

I hope a line can be drawn under this sorry affair at the coming AGM. I think the SNFC has been harmed enough by you and your friends’ obsession.

 

 

 

 

 

[Delboy]

Come on lads, dont be sitting on the fence again.Say what you think about IBs thoughts on what has happened.I can see you all reading this .

[Williedoo]

I have my own thoughts on this,but we( the snfc) have missed the boat,so well never Know.