naedoos Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 well for a start ,in confines of loft? not clear what that meens exactly,how many clocked in is too many? thats about it for me anyway. not to bothered about second one ,but definately the first Dunno, suppose they worded it like that to deal with different entries to different lofts. The officials that inspect the trapping system would just have to use a bit of common sense :-/ Think by rights every bird that's paid for on entry deserves it's card if it's flown for it but we only take the first 4 in our club
hotrod Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 fair enough coment mate,are you going to b/pool ?
naedoos Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 fair enough coment mate,are you going to b/pool ? aye
hotrod Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 aye i'll wear ma hard hat just incase you want to bury that hatchet lol
naedoos Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i'll wear ma hard hat just incase you want to bury that hatchet lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D nae need, hopefuly get a chance to meet you though, am sure Harry'll see tae it (if e's in a fit enough state) ;D ;D ;D
hotrod Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i think me and cally are going to duke o york friday about 5pm thnk harry and all they fifers will be there
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D nae need, hopefuly get a chance to meet you though, am sure Harry'll see tae it (if e's in a fit enough state) ;D ;D ;D watch for flying sicks ;D
hotrod Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 watch for flying sicks ;D as iv,e said ti naedoos im alright ill have a hard hat way me lol
naedoos Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i think me and cally are going to duke o york friday about 5pm thnk harry and all they fifers will be there Hopefuly see you's all there then
Guest shadow Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i dont think that anybody would grudge a fancier who has a disablement an ets but some of the posts are right, some fanciers abuse it by clocking in everything that comes over the pad lots of fanciers have done that for years when using clocks never mind ETS
Roland Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 The places you don't get, when a ET fancier has 10 or more drop together. can all be the same time too. - I posted some where 38 dropped through together and many more - No way can a manual timer split them even. So instaed of say even 2nd and 5th, he'll have none. Now that won't show the reality, so the 10 or more dropping together says 'Get better, better birds etc. etc. Further most Et flyers are as keen as the next, and IS getting every ounze out of his' birds...
weecunny Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 if u dont like it dont use it a just cant c what aw the fuss is about lol
Roland Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 if u dont like it dont use it a just cant c what aw the fuss is about lol :o
Guest strapper Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 well i reckon we all should throw them all away and go back to toulets lol...some have forgotten how to set them now i bet.....lol
weecunny Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 the best thing about ets is it dizni tell fibs like the bird wiz in the hut when a went to ma hut lolllllllllllllll
just ask me Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 when i joined this site this was the big subject of the day and its the same arguments being put forward by the pro an antis i think what would be interesting is there any fanicers here that were against it and now have it have changed there mind just be interesting to know
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Good point Mark but there is always two sides of this debate, a mate of mine who lives in Lincolnshire was a member of a very large and competitive club that sent on average 750 - 900 birds a week (inland).At the commencement of the Old Bird season last year only 7 members had ETS system, no member in that club would mark the ETS bird through lack of knowledge, so the lads that had it and the secretary had to mark these birds seperately away from the rubbered birds. Things went okay and the lads on ETS did not win many races. Come the Young Bird races 17 members had got the ETS system, the ETS lads must have had the birds in good nick, they dominated the results week after week in fact on 5 occassions 2 fanciers took the first 17 posistions between them. sadly at the club AGM resignations were piled up on the table and the fanciers with a traditional clock left for pastures new, in their own words they were not prepared to have greedy fanciers in their club, some of the elderly fanciers have packed the game in completely. Now whilst I appreciate that if a pigeon is payed to compete in a race I believe that bird should be able to be verfied or timed in, but surely commonsense should prevail here and I am led to believe the only fanciers that are left in this once great club are fanciers which all have the ETS system. I personally agree, that it is the fittest pigeons that win any race, when you have birds on song and your getting bunches of birds hitting the board race after race it is tempting to time one or two more, but these fanciers who have the ETS had the option of asking the secretary to only take the first few birds and leave the come again posistions for other members of the club. I have heard other stories of greedy fanciers, who took the 1st 17 posistions in their respective club, federation and combine absolute fantastic flying by any standard, but the club and fed closed down because of this, and my thoughts of where will the sport be if this is allowed to continue? What happened to sportmanship in this great sport of ours, commonsense should be allowed to prevail or there will be no fanciers to compete against locally, the only races available would be on a regional or classic / national level with central marking. Now who wants to have to travel those distances every week just for the sake of a pigeon race. this was my point i tried to make fanciers see before it was to late the damage this has /will do to our sport is now ireversable its in now and the old/not so good or disadvantaged will go at an alarming rate but who cares the people who pushed and kidded on it was for the disabled have there money its to late to stop it now i have no doubt its better for the birds timeing etc but at what cost??????????
Guest gladdo Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 ok ill put a point and nobody take the wrong way here ...you know when you racing in club and there are fantastic fliers , mediocka fliers and not so good fliers and bruttle fliers ??? yeah still with me ... you know when one off the bottomish fliers gets in top 10 say well in our club as big birage of 600 plus each race say ... i think when ets comes in they will never get in top 10 ...so if same 3 people or 4 people take the first 10 then these people will soon get bored ...i know we all out to win and get as many positions in say top 10 in club but i really think that when its clocking a pigeon its that bit more of a chance .... maybe im being soft but i dont think of just myself ... dont get me wrong im out there to get the first 10 next year !!!!! just a taught ... plus young fancier will never afford this ..your looking at 1000 for trap , systems etc ... that s euro nearly same as sterling now lads !!!!!!!!!! and lasses
just ask me Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 actually i think u are wrong think about it the more experienced or better fancier as u say it knows his birds he dont panic them when they trap that why he can get them to trap well week after week now u take the less experienced fancier chasing his birds grabbing them well there not going to come in are they so if he gets a early bird it not going to cum in belive or belive it not i dont want it for that reason trapping birds well is as much of an art form as racing i only race up to 200 mile going further this year ok but how many races are on won on the trap from races up to 200 mile when in my area we often had results with 15 seconds covering top 20 and that with out ets what i would i like to see happen in club racing only 3 results per fancer so a fancier can take 1 2 3 that it but all of fanicers top birds going to the fed result as the fed result should show a true result at the end of the day it is a competition sport we cant all be winners what i have said before in big clubs with lots of members there should be a league system where say 30 members in a club 3 leagues 3 go up 3 come down ure right its not fair that a new commer is racing against a seasonal professional and lets face it that the way it is now as regards cost I'm sure a club sale members put up birds make up a few tickets sponsors things like this can bring cost down a bit
Roland Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 if u dont like it dont use it a just cant c what aw the fuss is about lol Psst! The cost of members leaving. Never mind the crap scenario put up via the 'Money / Win costs balony of 'They would leave any way, or the silly Millins of reasons for leaving etc. Only worried about the 1000's that will / do no longer fly because of it - right or wrong. This will always fall, convienently on stoney ground. And let's face it regardless of reasons lamely put forward, Never needed before outside of less than one %, and the 'Want its' have it purelty -mostly anyway, purely on a selfish note.
hotrod Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 the best thing about ets is it dizni tell fibs like the bird wiz in the hut when a went to ma hut lolllllllllllllll but the FIBS are part and parcell of doo's mate same as fishing the one that got away was a monster etc
fred x Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 My club were declined grant for ETS. Dazza Dazza Did they say Y u were refused the grant ????????
dazza Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Yes mate - can't remember what reason was given. dazza
sharpy Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WHO IS TO CARRYOUT THE TASKS OF INSPECTING ALL OF THE ETS PADS AS TO WHERE THEY ARE INSTALLED ETC AND WILL THERE BE ANY RANDOM SPOT CHECKS DONE DURING SEASON TO ENSURE PADS ARE STILL IN CORRECT PLACE MY FED HAS STATED THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ANY CHECKS
joe61 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 leaves yhe door wide open cheating if no spot checks jmo oh happy days
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