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This subject has been done to deathand it is time for people to get on with racing their birds regardless of what system they fly and concentrate on upping their own lofts.

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theres nothing wrong with ets, the problem is that its been hijacked by a section of the fancy that want to win  at all costs and win big. they don't care if fanciers are driven out as their attitude is get better or get out....then they'll be back moaning that the fancy is in decline. the fanciers who leave are needed to keep clubs going so it will do them no good in the long run.agree with shadow that this topic has been done to death....its best just to let it take its course and see if whats left is still viable.

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Tsykes - your birds were at least 2 mins in to the town before anybody else - except the 2 races you didn't win!!!!

 

I won an ets system last year and will use it for Nationals and will use T3 in club and fed races, so i am not anti ets, however the equation is simple ETS v Conventional clocking is not fair.

 

Dazza

 

Dazza is conventional clock v T3 with quickstart fair? dont think so, is Sputnick trap v stalltrap fair? dont think so, its called moving with the times get on and race your pigeons and stop moaning

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Are those anti ETS looking at the big picture or looking for excuses?

 

Are those for ETS looking at the big picture or looking for an advantage?

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Darkie my friend i don't know how you have come too the conclusion that i am moaning? Quite the opposite ets has other benefits not just on race days and i fully accept that it is the future. It is irrefutable that ETs v conventional clocking is unfair. As regards sputniks stall traps quickstarts i couldn't comment - won 64 races in last 4 years with birds going through an open door and without frightening them!!!!

 

Thanks for the advice though.

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Not everyone has a T3 and I have not seen anyone complaining about the advantage the new none thimble flaps for a T3 can give over STB and other makes. ETS will let older fanciers stay in the sport that bit longer. Try catching a bird with a bad back or taking a rubber off with arthritis in you hands. I think it is great that the older man can sit in the warmth of his house and look out the window at his birds coming home on the cold wet days. Not everyone can be healthy and pain free and ETS can let the people who are not enjoy this sport a bit longer. A member of my club works on a Saturday until 1pm and some Saturdays the birds are home before 1pm if he did not have the ETS he would have to give up pigeon racing. PS you do not need ets to win races I do not have it yet but still won 12 last year.

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Good point Mark but there is always two sides of this debate, a mate of mine who lives in Lincolnshire was a member of a very large and competitive club that sent on average 750 - 900 birds a week (inland).At the commencement of the Old Bird season last year only 7 members had ETS system, no member in that club would mark the ETS bird through lack of knowledge, so the lads that had it and the secretary had to mark these birds seperately away from the rubbered birds. Things went okay and the lads on ETS did not win many races.

Come the Young Bird races 17 members had got the ETS system, the ETS lads must have had the birds in good nick, they dominated the results week after week in fact on 5 occassions 2 fanciers took the first 17 posistions between them. sadly at the club AGM resignations were piled up on the table and the fanciers with a traditional clock left for pastures new, in their own words they were not prepared to have greedy fanciers in their club, some of the elderly fanciers have packed the game in completely. Now whilst I appreciate that if a pigeon is payed to compete in a race I believe that bird should be able to be verfied or timed in, but surely commonsense should prevail here and I am led to believe the only fanciers that are left in this once great club are fanciers which all have the ETS system.

I personally agree, that it is the fittest pigeons that win any race, when you have birds on song and your getting bunches of birds hitting the board race after race it is tempting to time one or two more, but these fanciers who have the ETS had the option of asking the secretary to only take the first few birds and leave the come again posistions for other members of the club.

I have heard other stories of greedy fanciers, who took the 1st 17 posistions in their respective club, federation and combine absolute fantastic flying by any standard, but the club and fed closed down because of this, and my thoughts of where will the sport be if this is allowed to continue? What happened to sportmanship in this great sport of ours, commonsense should be allowed to prevail or there will be no fanciers to compete against locally, the only races available would be on a regional or classic / national level with central marking.

Now who wants to have to travel those distances every week just for the sake of a pigeon race.

 

Well just about sums it up.

Like I say, no need to harp on about the benefits etc. EVERYONE knows them off by heart.... It is the cost to the sport that worries me. Members are leaving. Like I say know some in one club I'm in that still have their birds.... just resigned from the club. Means a bigger pay load for the rest of us....

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Well just about sums it up.

Like I say, no need to harp on about the benefits etc. EVERYONE knows them off by heart.... It is the cost to the sport that worries me. Members are leaving. Like I say know some in one club I'm in that still have their birds.... just resigned from the club. Means a bigger pay load for the rest of us....

 

well perhaps if we take a look at different sports such as golf the membership to a club for annual fees be far more than an ets system perhaps if they did there homework they could get a grant and therefore wouldnt cost them anything , but then i suppose the £1.20 per ring would be far too expensive if they lost the birds , breed better birds lor keep less theres always an answer but i suppose theres milions of excuses to leave the sport .

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i have got the worst loft poss in my club and fed being way out into the east,like i said its not the clock that wins races !

most easterly loft locations are the best by a mile because of the prevailling winds.

 

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My club were declined grant for ETS.

 

Dazza

 

maybe someone could help your club with filling the forms out that have been accepted just a thought , my clubs a Invitation club so mine couldnt get a grant anyway

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I would like to say that the buzz is still there,, We get the thrill from the birds folding up and diving and listening for the bleep of the ets.. just as exciting,, and no ruffled feathers for the birds.. the birds trap better and don't get their legs pulled ..lol.. we do catch the birds later in the day to see their condition and weight loss from the race,, its better for the birds and better for the fancier aswell.. Its the fairest timing device if everybody has it.. if two have ets there is no way to gain an advantage.. its up to the skill of the fancier then to get the birds to trap..

 

best of luck to all using ets or a t3.. We will use both this year.. t3 for 1 club and ets for other club and national..

 

ant

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Not everyone has a T3 and I have not seen anyone complaining about the advantage the new none thimble flaps for a T3 can give over STB and other makes. ETS will let older fanciers stay in the sport that bit longer. Try catching a bird with a bad back or taking a rubber off with arthritis in you hands. I think it is great that the older man can sit in the warmth of his house and look out the window at his birds coming home on the cold wet days. Not everyone can be healthy and pain free and ETS can let the people who are not enjoy this sport a bit longer. A member of my club works on a Saturday until 1pm and some Saturdays the birds are home before 1pm if he did not have the ETS he would have to give up pigeon racing. PS you do not need ets to win races I do not have it yet but still won 12 last year.

 

i dont think that anybody would grudge a fancier who has a disablement an ets but some of the posts are right, some fanciers abuse it by clocking in everything that comes over the pad

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i dont think that anybody would grudge a fancier who has a disablement an ets but some of the posts are right, some fanciers abuse it by clocking in everything that comes over the pad

 

So you wouldnt fancy the RPRA 1 LOFT RACE manager being a member of your club then,he clocks in every pigeon that crosses the pads, could be anything up to 170 birds.

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I cannot belive we are still beating this horse !!!

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I cannot belive we are still beating this horse !!!

 

Reading some of the rubbish people put on here that are against it looks like we might be beating it for along time.

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Reading some of the rubbish people put on here that are against it looks like we might be beating it for along time.

 

your right and we're all wrong ,this is what's called an opinion mate lol

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your right and we're all wrong ,this is what's called an opinion mate lol

 

Frankdooman's right then, you're never wrong ;D ;D ;D

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Frankdooman's right then, you're never wrong ;D ;D ;D

 

you should ask my wife im ALWAYS wrong lol, honestly mate im not saying anything bad about ets ,ive said before just a rule or two that needs looking at surely you can agree with me on that?

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well for a start ,in confines of loft? not clear what that meens exactly,how many clocked in is too many? thats about it for me anyway. not to bothered about second one ,but definately the first

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hi every one i think you boys on rubbers should give us et users 20 seconds for the extra wait lol

 

you can always rely on a woman to spice it up a bit lol,  ;)

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