Just a thought 500 mile Yearling challenge

[REDCHEQHEN]

What if we have a 100 mile band width, anyone can enter as long as they enter their longest race between 470 and 570 miles so for example I have two races 472 and 565 I could only enter birds from the 565 race; if I had a 496 race  and a 580 race I could enter via the 496 race. The problem is where the fancier through no fault of her/his own cannot get 500.

 

As to the co efficient can you clarify redcheq if someone only sends in an organisation with a small birdage but put up an incredible prformance say 2nd and someone else was 2nd from a big birdage but a lanket finish, am I right in thinking the bigger birdage would equate to better co efficient even though the smaller birdage bird has put up a great performance? I've never worked with coefficients your guidance please

 

You would be correct in your thinking Alan

the one with the higher birdage would have the better co-efficient

 

Now I personally wouldn't be sending - not this year anyway

so wouldn't be taking part - I'm just sticking my nose in for a fair way of working out the best method to come up with the best pigeon !!

 

1st out of 1000 birds would still be better than say 12th out of 10000

but 2nd out of 1000 birds would not be

[Guest]

I will suggest as previously the minimum be 470 mile if that's a fancier's longest race but the fancier must compete from her/his longest race up to 570 mile. Part of the skill will be preparing for a specific race and not having the option to choose from a couple of races (if you are lucky enough to have this choice!). If a fancier however wishes to nominate a race over 570 mile he can but agree with vic there should be a set date for nominating rings/race and payment.

 

Thanks Redcheq for the explanation on that basis I would prefer a judge than co efficient, I keep thinking of the smaller Scottish National club, not big birdage but some incredible performances from the distance, on a coefficient they would be disadvantaged. Another suggestion for a judge Rod Adams or Frank Tasker who is a member of the forum.

[hotrod]

i would agree there albear 2 top guys , only one thing im not sure about nominating a race as well as the bird, say you are lucky enough to have your yearlings left ,and you have a few choices and you nom one race ,but the birds not ready and you send  to the next race ? up here in scotland you have your club /fed then you have a choice of 2 nationals to race with, with different race programs, so some would have a pick of what race to send their birds to

[Roland]

Not allowed now via our North Rd Fed to send yearlings to Lerwick.

Would have to send on South.

Mate had a yearling doing nearly 15 hours on the wing this last season. Was well placed too.

[Roland]

Mine would be 469 Thurso. As far as I can North.

Would mean joining a South Rd. so called National club for the honour otherwise.

[hotrod]

Not allowed now via our North Rd Fed to send yearlings to Lerwick.

Would have to send on South.

Mate had a yearling doing nearly 15 hours on the wing this last season. Was well placed too.

good pigeon roland watch what your doing with it this year go easy on it early on and good luck

 

 

[tryer]

hi lads  am more of a reader then a writer thats for the low posts. been reading this thread with interest. i havent tryed me birds over 500m as yet been racing short and middle distance with abit of succes am changeing over to distance in the future and  thinking of having ago of this challenge. my input to this thread would be . has the head line says distance so lets say 475 upwards and not to nominate a race.  if anybody wants to go further that should be fine dont forget this is abit of fun for the site members and a few quid tobe won for the effort of the birds . has for the judge.s someone who nows there racing and the lay of the land  maybe we should ask a policeman.. or everyone who sends  can be the judges we can all meet up in a field last man standing  ;D ;D ;D.

[OLDYELLOW]

as state everyone intrested please put your distance of longest race 2 races so in my case and Kirkys would be 420 miles and 510 miles then i can work out what distance to start from as in Rolands case would be 469 miles  i think a pannel of judges  is needed perhaps Rose , Frank Tasker , M J Burden , if we can get a pannel together  

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

mine are messac 387 and niort 499

[Guest Vic]

There are guys on here that  must wallow in their own splendour. Why start (or advertise) a simple challenge  that originally seemed sincere and to the point. i.e. "A 500 mile race for yearlings." STOP.

                                   Now we are in the position (as per norm with pigeon flyers) where we are losing each other  by straying too far from the original proposal. It seems to me that  somebody is  not content with a genuine small field, but obviously now wants to alter the goalposts before the team is picked., and it looks as if  we will finish with the inland fliers racing from the south coast.  RUB MY NAME OFF!        

[Guest]

as state everyone intrested please put your distance of longest race 2 races so in my case and Kirkys would be 420 miles and 510 miles then i can work out what distance to start from as in Rolands case would be 469 miles  i think a pannel of judges  is needed perhaps Rose , Frank Tasker , M J Burden , if we can get a pannel together  

 

For me 420miles should not be included. Roland at 469 yep, one mile don't make no difference.

[OLDYELLOW]

im wanting to compete at the 510 mile thats been my intension all along however i was thinking of the flyers flying 560 miles and the likelyhood of them having a two day race would be higher so in fareness a difference of 91 miles from shortest 469 to 560 miles , so i am mearly asking for the last two distance races to see if i can get  most members competing at a similar distance but by no means should others have advantage by not nominating there race point and distance and having a choice between a few races as i could easily send with the midlands national and do the same surely a unfair advantage if i did so ?

[thunderboult]

my clubs 2 longest races last season(which i think will be the same this season) is bergerac 514mls+tarbes613mls(i won't be sending yearlings here). i will also have bordeaux493mls with the bbc .

[Guest asha]

498 and 655

[OLDYELLOW]

with last 2 race points ashas 498 , and thunderbolts been 493 , you can see the point im making i hope   anything over 500 mile could possibly be over 2 days racing so a sensible idea would to have the cap at 520 miles would it not ?

[Guest]

newbury fed and national 399

eastbourne with fed and national about 456

ypres with national 482

falaise with fed and national around 580

tours and alencon 600 plus (tours not deffinate yet)

i would prefer ypres

 

dave

 

[hotrod]

with last 2 race points ashas 498 , and thunderbolts been 493 , you can see the point im making i hope   anything over 500 mile could possibly be over 2 days racing so a sensible idea would to have the cap at 520 miles would it not ?

surely its about performance not velocity, ok timing on day 520 miles brilliant, but timing second morning early on 620 or 720 miles still two great performances  then it would be up to the judge,s to sort t out ,remember its only their opinion that counts

 

[OLDYELLOW]

newbury fed and national 399

eastbourne with fed and national about 456

ypres with national 482

falaise with fed and national around 580

tours and alencon 600 plus (tours not deffinate yet)

i would prefer ypres

 

dave

 

id agree with ypres for you  

[OLDYELLOW]

surely its about performance not velocity, ok timing on day 520 miles brilliant, but timing second morning early on 620 or 720 miles still two great performances  then it would be up to the judge,s to sort t out ,remember its only their opinion that counts

 

i also agree with you but theres thos who will be flying 560 miles that may be better flying a shorter race in the high 400's

[hotrod]

 

i also agree with you but theres thos who will be flying 560 miles that may be better flying a shorter race in the high 400's

so are you going to have to nominate e race?

 

 

[Guest asha]

            Hi old yellow,this is your baby,you make final choice,but lets be mellow,no hard and fast rules, bottom line around 450ish or little below,high as anyone wishes .

,were all gentlemen on here,and if someone can`t get 450 we can leave it  down to your discretion,we can`t leave anyone out,if they just do not fly quite that far,it would not be fair,and "fair for all favours for none" was the 1st rule wrote up when the sport began in britain over 100 years ago.

[kirky]

There are guys on here that  must wallow in their own splendour. Why start (or advertise) a simple challenge  that originally seemed sincere and to the point. i.e. "A 500 mile race for yearlings." STOP.

                                   Now we are in the position (as per norm with pigeon flyers) where we are losing each other  by straying too far from the original proposal. It seems to me that  somebody is  not content with a genuine small field, but obviously now wants to alter the goalposts before the team is picked., and it looks as if  we will finish with the inland fliers racing from the south coast.  RUB MY NAME OFF!        

 

I have got to agree it should stay at 500+, if someone wonts to do another thread for 400-500 miles, fine.

[REDROCKET]

this sounded like a great idea at the start  just read 123 posts and all ive got out of them is a sare heed.(probably in)  (dizzy)

[Roland]

Fine by me. I am a great lover of the distance. We are o nly treading where 100's have already gone... and farther, but for us we must have, need a challenge. So China, Canada, Austrailia and many others can choos a course and even stay within their own country. We can't of course. But the 1000 miles have been done here many times of course... not by most of us though. -Never had the chance or would have personally.

But agree let's stay at 500 +. I can do the 469 any season but not the 500... That is a challenge, and one has to send their BEST birds with hope. Sure some say; Provided they still have the parents'! :-/ If they do it, then great... if not, then if a distance flyer that should tell you somethimng about that pairing.

[hotrod]

i agree in part roland but a lot of yearlings are big week birds till they fill out into a real racing machine at 2 sometimes 3 yr old , OLDYELLOW you have had plenty of feedback now , have a think about it and come back with your rules and thats what we have to adhere to.