win nothing but want to win..

[NW USA]

The end.

[Guest chrisss]

The end.

 

is nigh?

[leighton1984]

lol ;D

[Guest monkeynuts71]

still arguing i see. i will listen to anybodys advice. whether its good or bad thats for me to decide. everyone has different views so the more advice you get the better surely???? if you use the advice and it works all well and good if it doesnt work dont do it again.

thunderboult has always given me advice and i think hes a top bloke. hes one that always pms me to see how its going and gives me daily advice. there are too many to name that have helped me and i thank everyone of them. whether they have won anything or not their advice is greatfully recieved

[just ask me]

joe a thought i must say i know where u are coming from really all i done when i cam on was looked at pll posts what they wrote and made up my own mind on your system it not as easy to set up as it seems as it can give a false view on fanicers results and actually might lead new fanicers the wrong way

 

a big thing i belive that new starters need to learn is to read results  what i mean by this take a large size fed or med size well lets say a westerly wind is in then one area of the fed is going to have an advantage and as we al know west winds are very common well lets say fanicers living in this good area take the first 10 positions in this race then a fancier gets in with a bird at 11 then the rest of the result is filled by fanicers living in the right area well i know which bird i would like in my loft

 

another one the one of best long distance fanicers i know never won a national and where he races thers not many long distance races to race  in so if he joined the site he would be counted under your system very low id imagine

 

am not trying to find holes in it mate but i do think they are some in which could actually lead a new starter a stray

 

my advice is read results and understand them ud be surprised at what u can see  

[Guest Paulo]

joe a thought i must say i know where u are coming from really all i done when i cam on was looked at pll posts what they wrote and made up my own mind on your system it not as easy to set up as it seems as it can give a false view on fanicers results and actually might lead new fanicers the wrong way

 

a big thing i belive that new starters need to learn is to read results  what i mean by this take a large size fed or med size well lets say a westerly wind is in then one area of the fed is going to have an advantage and as we al know west winds are very common well lets say fanicers living in this good area take the first 10 positions in this race then a fancier gets in with a bird at 11 then the rest of the result is filled by fanicers living in the right area well i know which bird i would like in my loft

 

another one the one of best long distance fanicers i know never won a national and where he races thers not many long distance races to race  in so if he joined the site he would be counted under your system very low id imagine

 

am not trying to find holes in it mate but i do think they are some in which could actually lead a new starter a stray

 

my advice is read results and understand them ud be surprised at what u can see  

 

Also take into account the number of birds the fancer sends to the race.

[just ask me]

 

Also take into account the number of birds the fancer sends to the race.

 

that taken in to account when reading the resuts  ;D  i forgot it u got me  ;D

[Guest IB]

Wee bit astray there for a while methinks.  

 

I've changed my mind on many aspects of pigeonbasics over the years, but one I still believe strongly in is everyone's right to ask a question, and everyone's right to provide an answer for it.

 

Not all questions are about racing, all racing isn't the same, so I do not see how only race winners can hold either all the answers, or even the correct ones.

 

But one area where I have had a change of mind is on pigeon health. This comes after one of our advice threads managed to get into Parkinsons column, which showed members here advised a whole range of measures, which with a bit of common sense should have been seen as either do A / or do B, but the member applied all advice, scattergun-style. Peckedhen also cites bewilderment at the varied advice given here. So I reckon health questions in future should be standard answer: isolation & first aid, and the member referred to an avian vet.

 

      

[Guest WINGS 04]

 

he can only beat what is in front of him.  so how good are you if he beats you ?

 

i am that good they will not let me in to there wee club lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[hotrod]

i agree with you joe to some extent , firstly (hotrod) my name is STUART MULLAN FROM PORT GLASGOW, i have raced pigeons for 32 years flying in a club with 19/20 members to start off then they dwindled away to eventually 5 , but most weeks one/two/three of the five was either topping the fed or very close to topping the fed . i have topped that fed from 60-543 miles on numerous ocasions , now for four years im in a new club with 21 members and a new fed and have topped the fed 4/5 times from 90-496 miles all in all i have won around 130 races with over 200 1st prizes(as in 1st club 1st fed  as 2 first prizes),  as you say joe you can only beat the ones you fly against,big club/ wee club, but fed results are a more fairer way  to judge a good flyer , IF  you win /do well in sprint races great for advice for short races if you do well at the distance then same again, if you do well in youngbirds same again .SOME  members have stated that certain clubs have big numbers but other smaller clubs beat them week in week out, so fed results or combine results would do , even if you dont win races but breed a lot of winners for others then you are a master breeder, a lot of different cattegories of successful fanciers out there.I would say i could give out advice to novices , but believe me i'm still learning new things all the time , and if you asked the most successful fanciers out there they would say the same (if they were honest about it)

[aye ready]

i agree with you joe to some extent , firstly (hotrod) my name is STUART MULLAN FROM PORT GLASGOW, i have raced pigeons for 32 years flying in a club with 19/20 members to start off then they dwindled away to eventually 5 , but most weeks one/two/three of the five was either topping the fed or very close to topping the fed . i have topped that fed from 60-543 miles on numerous ocasions , now for four years im in a new club with 21 members and a new fed and have topped the fed 4/5 times from 90-496 miles all in all i have won around 130 races with over 200 1st prizes(as in 1st club 1st fed  as 2 first prizes),  as you say joe you can only beat the ones you fly against,big club/ wee club, but fed results are a more fairer way  to judge a good flyer , IF  you win /do well in sprint races great for advice for short races if you do well at the distance then same again, if you do well in youngbirds same again .SOME  members have stated that certain clubs have big numbers but other smaller clubs beat them week in week out, so fed results or combine results would do , even if you dont win races but breed a lot of winners for others then you are a master breeder, a lot of different cattegories of successful fanciers out there.I would say i could give out advice to novices , but believe me i'm still learning new things all the time , and if you asked the most successful fanciers out there they would say the same (if they were honest about it)

 

right STUART what about a pair of y/b's noo

(hehe)(hehe)

[hotrod]

 

right STUART what about a pair of y/b's noo take a ticket and get in line martin.( well i think its martin)?

(hehe)(hehe)

 

 

[aye ready]

 

 

aye ur right must have to frankie boy(wiseman)(wiseman)(wiseman)

[aye ready]

i mean talking too (ma heeds up ma *expletive removed*) (ok)(ok)

[Guest spin cycle]

OK..just for fun, how about this. back in my early teens (ok and mid/late teens(dizzy) ) i used to play a role playing game called 'dungeons & dragons' ( derived from ideas in the tolkien books). basically you had 'characters' ( fighters, magic users,rangers,thieves etc) ...these went on adventures scoring 'experience points' and as they gained experience they went up 'levels'. so what i propose (JUST FOR FUN)...is that we can use a similar system eg 'sprint specialist', 'distance fanatic' etc and then score points as follows. club win 1x birdage, fed win 2x birdage, nat/classic 5x birdage. also 10 points/race clocked up to a max of 200/year. everybody starts at level 1 and its 1000 points a level until level 5 then 2000points/level til 10 then points 4000 til level 15 and so on. if you break your novice you get a level as a bonus. i've chosen 'numpty' as my 'character' and i would be on level 3...so level 3 numpty. RIGHT..having sorted that out i must get on..my 'magic user' has just caught a 'hobbit' picking her pocket ( i hope (dizzy))....the 'elf's' out of arrows...and the 'ranger' reckons that a force of 'goblins' is approaching from the north and they may have 'cave troll' with them .....there and you thought you had problems (evil)(evil)(evil)(evil)(evil)(evil)

[Delboy]

I had 12 x 1sts in 07 and 11 x 1sts in 08 .Now I dont have club, and no local club will let me in, so how can you rate me now without a club. :-/

[boxer]

I had 12 x 1sts in 07 and 11 x 1sts in 08 .Now I dont have club, and no local club will let me in, so how can you rate me now without a club. :-/

 

i know the feeling my fathers in the same position. done very well with his pigeons 1 everything nearly then our club finished so we tried to join 2 other clubs by us. so called friends of his even give them birds and everythging voted aganst him joining the clubs. it makes me sick he loves his pigeons puts alot of time in with them. that was the key to winning spending time with them .if half his so called fiends would have put the same time in as he did they might have been as succesfull as he was its been 5 or 6 years now since he last raced still puts same time in with his birds we now have to race in the 1 loft comptitions just to fly the birds. he has built his own family of pigeons and not to b able to race them is a disgrace.

[Guest chrisss]

I had 12 x 1sts in 07 and 11 x 1sts in 08 .Now I dont have club, and no local club will let me in, so how can you rate me now without a club. :-/

 

no idea but with that many wins can i have your babies? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Delboy]

 

i know the feeling my fathers in the same position. done very well with his pigeons 1 everything nearly then our club finished so we tried to join 2 other clubs by us. so called friends of his even give them birds and everythging voted aganst him joining the clubs. it makes me sick he loves his pigeons puts alot of time in with them. that was the key to winning spending time with them .if half his so called fiends would have put the same time in as he did they might have been as succesfull as he was its been 5 or 6 years now since he last raced still puts same time in with his birds we now have to race in the 1 loft comptitions just to fly the birds. he has built his own family of pigeons and not to b able to race them is a disgrace.

 

Totally out of order m8, the only word to describe this is `JEALOUSY' , The pigeon game is f..... m8. Hope you and your dad get a club soon

[boxer]

cheers m8 me 2 good birds going to waste

[hotrod]

i mean talking too (ma heeds up ma *expletive removed*) (ok)(ok)

pull that heid oot mate .

 

 

[hotrod]

I had 12 x 1sts in 07 and 11 x 1sts in 08 .Now I dont have club, and no local club will let me in, so how can you rate me now without a club. :-/

maybe if you took a one off (12  and  11)you might get in somwhere derick ;) ;)

 

 

[just ask me]

no club either race as individual member

[Guest Owen]

I like the ideas behind what you are saying. As far as the fanciers go you are right on the button. However, there are people like Vets who would know far more than any fancier but have not won a bladder. How would you deal with them? I am sure that there are other specialists who would share their knowledge and training but would not be all that good at racing. Personally, I have progressed by refusing to believe most of what I am told about the birds. I would'nt dream of buying pigeons from a Stud. I could'nt care less if they call them a this or a that breed. Most of it is lies and if your silly enough to believe it you will usually end up with disapointment. This, I know to be true because I have been disapointed like that. I win races every year and as each year passes I win more. I am quite prepared to print my credentials in a public place so that those who know me can verify what I say is true. In addition to all that I know that the competion in my local club is very fierce and we have fanciers here who are winning in the Nationals regularly. When ever I have posted my views on this site, I have said what I know works for me. And hopefully, it is common sense that anyone can see will work. In conclusion, I would like to point out that I have a heck of a lot to learn. Although I am certainly not a novice I will always want to look at the ideas of others in an ongoing attempt to improve my management. This is so that I don't blame the birds when they are not performing when the reallity is that it is my fault. And I need to aquire the wisdom to know the differance.

[Roland]

I had 12 x 1sts in 07 and 11 x 1sts in 08 .Now I dont have club, and no local club will let me in, so how can you rate me now without a club. :-/

 

Two things, one forget the jealousy crap scenario.... and more importantly just take your birds to the club and have them send them to the race points. They can't refuse, but of course will have to pay the correct birdage. Believe you will already be a Fed member, so are entitled to have your clock etc. also done. Never mind the club.... your results etc. are up in print every week. And one hell of an added booster to you to do even better.

Like one does for the Nationals. You have to be a member of the main governing body of course be it RPRA / Scottish /Welsh or whatever, but you would have to anyway.