Those extra miles

[Tony C]

A pigeon comes home from a 400 mile race knackered, wings down and wont budge. One hour later to look at it you wouldn't think it had been anywhere, would this pigeon be capable of being sent further?

[T_T]

Pigeons are so quick to recover and at a first glance you wouldn't think the pigeon had anything taken out of him because he's so glad to be home.  I think over the next two or three days it would show if it was hurting or not and that would be my decider.  I remember I had a red cock who on arriving at home was wobbling on his perch for the whole day for the amount of effort he had put in.  Although looking good on the outside later, he never fully recovered.

[OLDYELLOW]

depends on what kind of shape he went in in the first place if werent 100% fit then would of struggled and homed , seems his recovery rate was good tho , how old is the bird ?

[Tony C]

depends on what kind of shape he went in in the first place if werent 100% fit then would of struggled and homed , seems his recovery rate was good tho , how old is the bird ?

 

No particular pigeon in mind just a general question. We'll say the pigeon finished very high up in the result.

[OLDYELLOW]

if was a yearling id say that given another year to mature it could well improve with age as a two year old , imo two year olds are at there physical peak and perform better and more frequently than a yearling , as a three year old they start to slow down / pace themselves more and are more comfortable with greater distances , my 2 year old cocks will get 500 mile this year just for experience as im setting them up for 650 miles as three year olds i suppose it comes down to this if hes proven himself at 400 miles why push him further

[demolition man]

i had a pigeon that won 4 races from 107mls well up in the fed each time every time i sent him to 300mls which i did twice he would night out, one paticular year i never sent him to the 300 ml race as i thought i would be waisting my time, approching the end of the season i put my widowhood cocks to together with their hens ready for the 500ml combine race, this cock was doing things that i had never seen him do before so i sent him, he ended up 27th open with over 5,000 birds competeing with only 102 birds home on the day. so the awnser to your question is imo is yes.

 

Regards

[Andrew suckle]

Thats the same thing that happened with ma uncles doo looked shattered when it landed and within a short space of time it looked as if it had been in the loft all the time and ended up 3rd open.And a think it could off flew on a lot longer.

[blaz]

i had this happen to me with a cock yearling from eastbourne.i think he was not 100% fit as the bird before him and the 2 after you would think they raced 100 mile or so. he is a big pigeon as you can see.but after 2 days he looked top notch and handled Bryant.i will try him a bit further this year and make sure he is a good bit fitter.to me it was like it took eastbourne to get him fit. i might be wrong as at these distances i am just learning.he also had a fret mark on each wing from this race as it was pointed out to me by a fancier with more know how

[Guest mick bowler]

A pigeon comes home from a 400 mile race knackered, wings down and wont budge. One hour later to look at it you wouldn't think it had been anywhere, would this pigeon be capable of being sent further?

 

Does it not all depend on the type of race on the day.

 

If this race was a 1000 ypm job then it could possibly fly 500 at 1200+ypm, but if the 500 miler is the same type of day as the 400 mile race then i doubt it, but i have had birds fail to make 400 on the day yet do near 500 on the day. Every day is different and although we send then to 400 miles i'd say some races they fly a lot more than that.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

A pigeon comes home from a 400 mile race knackered, wings down and wont budge. One hour later to look at it you wouldn't think it had been anywhere, would this pigeon be capable of being sent further?

 

Does the cock come from distance bloodlines and is it possible that you could condition him better than when he was sent to the race that he came back knackered from.

 

Had a blue cock that put up a good performance from Eastbourne 387 miles with the SNFC and as your cock did he landed absolutely knackered he would not have flown another 20 miles and i put this down to that his bloodlines are Vandebeele, some family's do have limits.

 

 

[Roland]

Of course if you send it. If it was a hard day, then yes could go a little further on a easier day. But if it was sent in condition, it has, as far as I'm concerned, told you enough is enough.

[Guest cloudview]

time on wing is the critical   answer ,if it took 10 hours for example thats 40 mph and drops with wings , flown out basically id say no , its at its limit , but possibly do 500 in the same time on a tail wind situation , i wound,nt have much confidense in the bird at 500 mile on a hard day

[Guest cloudview]

time on wing is the critical   answer ,if it took 10 hours for example thats 40 mph and drops with wings , flown out basically id say no , its at its limit , but possibly do 500 in the same time on a tail wind situation , i wound,nt have much confidense in the bird at 500 mile on a hard day

 

last sentense should read , wound,nt have confidense in the bird

[Tony C]

 

Does the cock come from distance bloodlines and is it possible that you could condition him better than when he was sent to the race that he came back knackered from.

 

Had a blue cock that put up a good performance from Eastbourne 387 miles with the SNFC and as your cock did he landed absolutely knackered he would not have flown another 20 miles and i put this down to that his bloodlines are Vandebeele, some family's do have limits.

 

 

Gareth this is a hypothetical question. I’m interested in how others would go about weighing up whether to push this type of pigeon further or not or even experiences of fanciers pushing them that bit further be it good or bad.

[Wiley]

An Interesting question, if it was a hen 100% i would say defiantly yes as i believe hens recovery rate is very very fast, however it would also depend on the condition of the bird after the race, i.e loss of body weight. However had different experience with cocks, regarding the years we used to send lerwick, birds in this condition would be no good, unless it was a wind up the *expletive removed* job,

[pigeonscout]

How many hours on the wing? head wind or tail wind?

[showman]

Of course if you send it. If it was a hard day, then yes could go a little further on a easier day. But if it was sent in condition, it has, as far as I'm concerned, told you enough is enough.

 

Agree.

[blaz]

How many hours on the wing? head wind or tail wind?

 

10h.20m on wing i think flying in to a NW wind 384 mile 1025.54 velosity