why bid for birds and not pay ?

[Guest grizzler]

could it be that they are unable to log into the site,as a lot of members are having this problem?? just a thought.

[Guest mick bowler]

I think its the ones with "history" that the finger should be pointed at. We had "newbies" bid in the cancer sale and some have paid already.

 

Once is maybe forgiven, after that i think its deceitful. It belittles all the time and effort organisers spend getting these sales together, as well as showing a total lack of respect to the cause the sale is for.

[Guest lenwadebob]

could it be that they are unable to log into the site,as a lot of members are having this problem?? just a thought.

 

NO........... I know that non payers have been on the site. If you click on their name it tells you when they were last on ;)

[Guest grizzler]

 

NO........... I know that non payers have been on the site. If you click on their name it tells you when they were last on ;)

 

fair point   ;)

[Guest big pete]

 

A think some people want others to think they have money when they have nowt, but its a disgrace that people bid and get what they are bidding on and cant pay for them at the end.  :-/ People like that who get the birds on a final bid and dont pay at the end, should be banned from bidding for any other birds for 3 months. JMO but i hope something gets done to stop this in the future,  

 

TOTALLY AGREE, I SUGGESTED THIS LAST NIGHT, ORGANISERS PUT SO MUCH EFFORT IN TO BE LET DOWN, A DISGRACE

 

 

[BLACK W F]

 

Gary, I wasn't implying that all newbies don't pay, but what I would like to see is a period of incubation for newbies, albeit a period of time or number of posts. Certainly sellers and donors need some sort of protection. Likewise established members, who by now MUST have read at least one thread where this has been discussed, should be deterred from false bidding with the implementation of a rule that will name and shame and ban them from bidding when they offend. Obviously if a winning bidder has the decency to make either the seller/auctioneer or Admin aware that payment will be late, then arrangements will be made to accommodate them.

 

common sence post  well said bob

[Guest IB]

I have to agree with Mick Bowler's thoughts on concentrating on those with a 'history' of defaulting on paying for winning bids, rather than singling out 'Newbies'.

 

A member cannot be branded as a potential defaulter just because they are new to the Site. It is like any other Auction, the person may be in the auction room for the first time - but they are present because of a bird he/she wants. What Auctioneer declines to accept bids because 'hey you've never been here before'.

 

 

[Guest stb-]

the only thing that bothers me is maby some of the so called newbies were created to bid birds up or cause friction with the site and sale  with no intention of buying in the first place

 

JMO

[dwh]

the only thing that bothers me is maby some of the so called newbies were created to bid birds up or cause friction with the site and sale  with no intention of buying in the first place

 

JMO

 

then they shithouses  and if thats the case somebody putting them up to it :-/

[BLACK W F]

the only thing that bothers me is maby some of the so called newbies were created to bid birds up or cause friction with the site and sale  with no intention of buying in the first place

 

JMO

 

we have all seen that at auctions have we not

[Guest stb-]

 

we have all seen that at auctions have we not

 

yip it happens but sometimes they get landed with them ,  but no point in chasing up a made up mickey mouse name could be owt > >:(thats registered

[Guest lenwadebob]

I have to agree with Mick Bowler's thoughts on concentrating on those with a 'history' of defaulting on paying for winning bids, rather than singling out 'Newbies'.

 

A member cannot be branded as a potential defaulter just because they are new to the Site. It is like any other Auction, the person may be in the auction room for the first time - but they are present because of a bird he/she wants. What Auctioneer declines to accept bids because 'hey you've never been here before'.

 

 

No one is singling out "Newbies".

Most auctioneers either know, or if not known in an auction room ask for identification of an unknown bidder. Plus people in an auction room are using their "Real Name" not an alias. How many complete strangers would you allow to take birds from your loft with a promise to pay later....... None I would suggest, unless you get proof of identity.

[BLACK W F]

 

No one is singling out "Newbies".

Most auctioneers either know, or if not known in an auction room ask for identification of an unknown bidder. Plus people in an auction room are using their "Real Name" not an alias. How many complete strangers would you allow to take birds from your loft with a promise to pay later....... None I would suggest, unless you get proof of identity.

 

your bang on Bob  too much crap going on if cant afford dont bid if bid and dont pay name and shame and ban  

[Guest strapper]

potential bidders should registra with the site before hand .

just like sellers have too..name address supplied.

any newbies who are 1st time bidders must give their club name and sec,s number ..if possible.

i think if the site would agree we could suggest possible helpful  rules for the site to consider having

for this purpose.

i think sellers wether private or for charities should have protection from bidders who run off after bids made...after a warning from the site they will be suspended from the site untill payment made?

not trying to tell how to run the site just trying to be helpful.

[grizzal]

 

No one is singling out "Newbies".

Most auctioneers either know, or if not known in an auction room ask for identification of an unknown bidder. Plus people in an auction room are using their "Real Name" not an alias. How many complete strangers would you allow to take birds from your loft with a promise to pay later....... None I would suggest, unless you get proof of identity.

 

Bob my be the site should have a bidder list before each sale with real name and club.

and only these members aloud to bid.but it may still happen and someone not pay.jmo

[Guest bakes]

 

your bang on Bob  too much crap going on if cant afford dont bid if bid and dont pay name and shame and ban  

 

agree what bobs said and allen took the words out of my mouth.

[WHITTY]

why at these auctions do they allow members to bid with pms :-/ if there were no pm bids every body would no who was biding agianst them i think it would solve a lot of problems just my opinion :-/

[Guest stb-]

 

Bob my be the site should have a bidder list before each sale with real name and club.

and only these members aloud to bid.but it may still happen and someone not pay.jmo

 

yes could register to bid in the weeks before the sale   loft no etc.

 

if you havnt registered before sale then you cant bid .

 

if you register and dont want to bid that would ot be a problem.

[clyde]

why at these auctions do they allow members to bid with pms :-/ if there were no pm bids every body would no who was biding agianst them i think it would solve a lot of problems just my opinion :-/

 

dont agree some guys push others up ,  thats why i pm

[walterbmasson]

why at these auctions do they allow members to bid with pms :-/ if there were no pm bids every body would no who was biding agianst them i think it would solve a lot of problems just my opinion :-/

 

CERTAINLY  agree with you

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

Bob my be the site should have a bidder list before each sale with real name and club.

and only these members aloud to bid.but it may still happen and someone not pay.jmo

 

I did suggest something very similar to this some months ago, hopefully it will be implemented soon. There are always going to be odd instances when people offend, but they should only do it once if the rules are broken. Perhaps if potential bidders furnish the seller with real name, club secretaries phone number and or RPRA number prior to bidding, it can be checked out.

[walterbmasson]

 

dont agree some guys push others up ,  thats why i pm

                                                                                                                but at least you know who is bidding and wait till the last if not happy whoes bidding you up  if hes not interested wont bid incase left with bird he doesnt want              

[Tony C]

I think it only right that those running sales along with those selling on the site should be afforded some form of protection. Those that don’t pay and don’t issue an apology should be named and shamed and be listed as defaulters for a better word.

 

If these people are doing it just to be malicious is bidding by PM playing into their hands?

[Guest stb-]

ALL REGISTER NO PM BIDS ALL ON OPEN FORUM   ;)

[Guest IB]

 

No one is singling out "Newbies".

Most auctioneers either know, or if not known in an auction room ask for identification of an unknown bidder. Plus people in an auction room are using their "Real Name" not an alias. How many complete strangers would you allow to take birds from your loft with a promise to pay later....... None I would suggest, unless you get proof of identity.

 

With respect, I think you may be mixing issues here Bob. Much of the thread is given over to treating new members with less trust than longer standing ones; that in itself is a joke given the behaviour of some members toward this auction on this and other sites and have the cheek to decry others for lack of faith; auction rooms deal with commission and telephone bidders, and buyers real names are not always used. They can all be complete strangers to each other, and the one thing that squares that is payment up front.

 

Payment up front is the issue here Bob, and how to make sure organisers get it.