Killing for Fun

[Guest 67ghirl]

I know there are the Laws of nature and the Natural Food chain etc, etc but this is not Funny!!!!

 

We saw last week that our Local Percy's were out flying with their young circling and screeching as they do!

This week Eggy has been approached by 2 different people with these tales to tell!

 

1- a wee boy went running to his Dad with the ring from a headless racing pigeon that had just 'bounced' of the house roof.

 

2 - a woman living close to the Steeple came out of her house on Saturday to find 3 headless racers in her Garden.

 

Unfortunately we didn't get the ring numbers of the Doos or we could have let the owners know but obviously they are showing the young what to do even when they are not needing a feed  >

Apparently the last time the nest was cleared there was about 50 rings in it so Eggy has asked the guy to keep them next time!

I just wonder how the Protectors of these Birds can justify the distress this must cause to the Public witnessing this????????????

[Guest numpty01]

in truth they cant but they dont care reverting to the age old comments its nature

[lanarkshire lad]

I know there are the Laws of nature and the Natural Food chain etc, etc but this is not Funny!!!!

 

We saw last week that our Local Percy's were out flying with their young circling and screeching as they do!

This week Eggy has been approached by 2 different people with these tales to tell!

 

1- a wee boy went running to his Dad with the ring from a headless racing pigeon that had just 'bounced' of the house roof.

 

2 - a woman living close to the Steeple came out of her house on Saturday to find 3 headless racers in her Garden.

 

Unfortunately we didn't get the ring numbers of the Doos or we could have let the owners know but obviously they are showing the young what to do even when they are not needing a feed  >

Apparently the last time the nest was cleared there was about 50 rings in it so Eggy has asked the guy to keep them next time!

I just wonder how the Protectors of these Birds can justify the distress this must cause to the Public witnessing this????????????

The food supply must be plentifull.

 

[DAVIDL]

but its not nature for them to be protected....nor is it nature for them to be provided with safe nestboxes.  when it was genuine nature the numbers were down and we didnt have this problem with them, so they cant play the old nature card and expect us to swallow it.

 

what is nature is that we can protect what is ours, and this includes our pigeons.....

[BLACK W F]

WELL SAID MATE  BUT STILL WONT HELP AS THEY COULD NOT GIVE A TOSS

[Guest]

i have been told (tho dont know how true it is) the peregrine drinks blood ,so they often do this just to get fluid ?? but yes have seen them catch pigeons in flight and drop them for the young they are training to catch . all very sad indeed for our birds ,and we wonder why some dont make it home .                        andy.

[Guest]

but its not nature for them to be protected....nor is it nature for them to be provided with safe nestboxes.  when it was genuine nature the numbers were down and we didnt have this problem with them, so they cant play the old nature card and expect us to swallow it.

 

what is nature is that we can protect what is ours, and this includes our pigeons.....

this last line i have used at my previuos address ,the old drunk up the garden had 9 or so cats. i said to him many times how unhappy i was they came onto my land to disturb birds . he said its just natural ,natures way. he tried to keep them away after i told him i was higher up the food chain than his cats and owned a gun .        no offence to old drunks .       andy.

 

 

[Guest IB]

The people witnessing these events locally should be encouraged to tell what they have seen and how they feel about it to the local newspapers. The Nationals like the Scotsman just don't want to know, as nobody on the forum has managed to get anything published there. The local council should also be made aware of it, in that way its put on official record and facts can't be disputed by those who would like that sort of thing to be swept under the carpet. These birds are not fit town centre inhabitants, they aren't domestic or cuddly, they aren't entertaining like parrots, they are something completely different and should be seen as unsuitable residents in built-up areas.

[Swifts]

I know this is going to cause friction but it has to be said. The main point you are making here is that the birds are not behaving naturally. This is because their situation is not natural. It is not natural for them to be out on the hunt and suddenly come across a huge flock of non-natural prey, it is not natural for them to be able to sustain such high numbers in towns and cities. The only creature which feels the need to interfere and alter its natural environment is man. Of course the peregrines will not behave naturally in a man-made environment, thriving on an unnaturally high source of unnatural prey introduced into nature by man. Does it not occur to you that when you increase the population of one creature (i.e. pigeons) in one area, even for a short period of time (i.e. exercising birds or a race) it is going to skew the natural state of flux between predator and prey? I am not blaming pigeon fanciers for this behaviour as these peregrines were probably introduced to the area, but they would not be able to sustain unnaturally high numbers if there was not an unnaturally numerous source of prey. These birds will also be unlikely to disperse as there is enough food now in our towns to support them due to the actions of man. It is rare that you will find any wild animal behaving naturally in an urban environment, but I guess that's what you get when you mess with nature. By the way these pigeons were probably killed by youngsters who are learning to hunt but are too timid to follow the prey as it falls to the ground and lack the strength to lift it to a higher perch.

[Guest]

Yes to a degree you are right, but pigeons have been raced across the length and breadth of this country for at least a hundred years. This problem has arisen in recent years due to the reintroduction of some species of BOP, supplying them with unnatural nesting sites etc. The point that every pigeon fancier is making is that what the RSPB have done is not natural. The reintroduction of one species to the detriment of many, many other natural species (other wild birds) has got out of control and it is not only pigeons that are suffering but a decline in the songbird population also. If the RSPB reckon they have a right to protect "their" birds, SO DO WE

[BANDIT]

hi swift interesting post,do you keep any birds youself,i look after my birds 365 days a year like most pigeon fanciers,these birds of prey are destroying every kind of bird at the moment including our pigeons, something will have to be done or the only birds about will be these murderers, if you are a farmer you can protect your stock in any way you have to. i think you have an agenda and others looking on these posts do also, do something before its to late and fix the balance otherwise there will be nothing left.

[pigeonpete]

I know this is going to cause friction but it has to be said. The main point you are making here is that the birds are not behaving naturally. This is because their situation is not natural. It is not natural for them to be out on the hunt and suddenly come across a huge flock of non-natural prey, it is not natural for them to be able to sustain such high numbers in towns and cities. The only creature which feels the need to interfere and alter its natural environment is man. Of course the peregrines will not behave naturally in a man-made environment, thriving on an unnaturally high source of unnatural prey introduced into nature by man. Does it not occur to you that when you increase the population of one creature (i.e. pigeons) in one area, even for a short period of time (i.e. exercising birds or a race) it is going to skew the natural state of flux between predator and prey? I am not blaming pigeon fanciers for this behaviour as these peregrines were probably introduced to the area, but they would not be able to sustain unnaturally high numbers if there was not an unnaturally numerous source of prey. These birds will also be unlikely to disperse as there is enough food now in our towns to support them due to the actions of man. It is rare that you will find any wild animal behaving naturally in an urban environment, but I guess that's what you get when you mess with nature. By the way these pigeons were probably killed by youngsters who are learning to hunt but are too timid to follow the prey as it falls to the ground and lack the strength to lift it to a higher perch.

 

What you say sounds good, well would sound good if you were telling the story to anyone not involved in pigeons. like len said pigeons have been raced for over 100 years in this country, and there is far less people racing pigeons than there was 40 years ago, so therefore less birds going to races etc (this can be proven) So as for us putting the extra food in the food chain for the bop is well............... Lets just say i disagree with you swift :-)

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

I know this is going to cause friction but it has to be said. The main point you are making here is that the birds are not behaving naturally. This is because their situation is not natural. It is not natural for them to be out on the hunt and suddenly come across a huge flock of non-natural prey, it is not natural for them to be able to sustain such high numbers in towns and cities. The only creature which feels the need to interfere and alter its natural environment is man. Of course the peregrines will not behave naturally in a man-made environment, thriving on an unnaturally high source of unnatural prey introduced into nature by man. Does it not occur to you that when you increase the population of one creature (i.e. pigeons) in one area, even for a short period of time (i.e. exercising birds or a race) it is going to skew the natural state of flux between predator and prey? I am not blaming pigeon fanciers for this behaviour as these peregrines were probably introduced to the area, but they would not be able to sustain unnaturally high numbers if there was not an unnaturally numerous source of prey. These birds will also be unlikely to disperse as there is enough food now in our towns to support them due to the actions of man. It is rare that you will find any wild animal behaving naturally in an urban environment, but I guess that's what you get when you mess with nature. By the way these pigeons were probably killed by youngsters who are learning to hunt but are too timid to follow the prey as it falls to the ground and lack the strength to lift it to a higher perch.

 

so now its our pigeons fault that they get killed by that filth is it?

[pigeonpete]

 

so now its our pigeons fault that they get killed by that filth is it?

 

Lets keep it civil people :-)

[Guest chrisss]

 

Lets keep it civil people :-)

 

there is nothing civil about having your birds torn apart then been told by little miss hawklover that its my fault,what madness is this?,have we all gone that soft?(puke)(puke)(puke)(puke)(puke)

[Guest numpty01]

one or two points i will cocide she is right in the natural balance a hawk would hunt large area to get food but now they have learnt that food comes to them along our lines of flight it must seem like shopping mall to hawks

[pigeonpete]

one or two points i will cocide she is right in the natural balance a hawk would hunt large area to get food but now they have learnt that food comes to them along our lines of flight it must seem like shopping mall to hawks

 

Yeah cause theres that many hawks now chris! :-( And all thanks to the rspb. They came in my shop last week wanting to put a charity box in! He walked out before i had finished talking to him? i wonder why? and he never left a box for me :-) :-)

[Guest numpty01]

 

Yeah cause theres that many hawks now chris! :-( And all thanks to the rspb. They came in my shop last week wanting to put a charity box in! He walked out before i had finished talking to him? i wonder why? and he never left a box for me :-) :-)

should took it off him and wrote sob on it

 

 

[pigeonpete]

should took it off him and wrote sob on it

 

 

think you will find its p.o.b :-)

[Guest numpty01]

ahh well save our birds sounds better ;D ;D

[jimmy w]

weve lost 2 young birds to the peregrene in the last 10 days 3 days ago they got ascare from the buzzards and didnt even see the falcon take 1 ill need to get the rockets out