When is a youngbird not a Youngbird?

[hotrod]

very good mate , but you said there a lot of good pigeon fanciers out there that dont win races , as ive said when your winning  well then you are rated as a GOOD doo man if your not winning then you might be a good man but but thats all

[Guest]

i bet you got electricity as well  and inside loo you lucky man vincent

 

oh happy days

 

Have you nothing of any importance to be getting on with because you are not contributing anything on here

[Guest]

steady on bob dont let them wind you up mate

 

oh happy days

 

I know, I just had to slow the pacemaker down a bit  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wasn't getting wound up joe, just pointing out that not many people know me, but I have one more than my fair share in pigeon racing. Five generations in my family have kept and raced them, Grandfather, Father, Me, my Son and Grandson, so no 5 minute wonders here mate.

 

OH A CENTURY OF HAPPY DAYS

[hotrod]

 

I know, I just had to slow the pacemaker down a bit  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Wasn't getting wound up joe, just pointing out that not many people know me, but I have one more than my fair share in pigeon racing. Five generations in my family have kept and raced them, Grandfather, Father, Me, my Son and Grandson, so no 5 minute wonders here mate.

 

OH A CENTURY OF HAPPY DAYS

so my dad g/da and all that didny keep doo's so that makes me a 5 minute wonder  i have learned EVERYTHING i know myself with no help from daddy, and been very succesfull since 1977

 

 

[Guest]

Fair play to you mate, done very well with no help from daddy, I take my hat off too you., some achievement that mate. We all had help from someone along the way   ;)

[hotrod]

well mate mines was making mistakes and learning from them, there was no help from anybody , mate maybe listening in sometimes, but it was was'nt dirrected at me

[red schalie]

Wrong there Joe, what about the NFC and the BICC both cover the whole of England and more with many thousands of birds going in both!

 

As I have said before the way forward with this issue is for Feds to adopt any age racing alongside of old bird racing and young bird racing seems a shame the youngsters go to a race with no chance of recognition!

 

 

Regards

Bob Pickering

[joe61]

bob with respect mate the BICCdoes not class itself as a national even if open to whole of country only NFC is national

 

oh happy days

[joe61]

i think we should draw a line under this and get back on topic dont you think so guys

 

oh happy days

[Ronnie]

heard of people putting old rings on younbirds then race them in the old hens national at the end of the year.Youngbirds at that age apparently are a lot quicker than oldbirds.

[kirky]

bob with respect mate the BICCdoes not class itself as a national even if open to whole of country only NFC is national

 

oh happy days

why does the NFC only have marking stations south of the midlands.

 

 

[hotrod]

heard of people putting old rings on younbirds then race them in the old hens national at the end of the year.Youngbirds at that age apparently are a lot quicker than oldbirds.

ronnie there is nothing wrong with doing that as the ring (JUST ONE JOE61)tells the age of the bird, the bird cant have two ages! unless they are spies lol

 

 

[Guest]

when is an young bird not a young bird one simple ans. for me when its an old bird                           (not hatched in that current year) anything else is wrong

[rasbull]

Interesting topic, there is a very simple way of solving this problem/loophole/cheating/bending the rules, call it what you like. The easiest way would be to allow the young birds to fly in the old bird season, thus taking away any problem what so ever. I cant see how racing young birds in the old bird season is a problem anyway if its what the owner wants. The old bird season could be renamed as any age season, and those wanting to enter young birds could do so as long as the birds were correctly sexed therefore preventing any trouble with the widowhood flyers. I think it would be a great way of reducing losses as well. I dont think for one minute many 'babies' would be able to compete with a fully motivated cock/hen on widowhood but those wishing to give the experience could be free to do so. Things change over time, and if the world of pigeon racing is to carry on then we as a sport need to move on to. Losses are killing the sport, could this be an answer? At the end of the day young bird or old bird its still going to be pigeon vs pigeon!

[Guest strapper]

good idea richard m8, but i feel a simpler answer is to have a rule which states that only one year ring can be on any one bird at any one time.

 

[rasbull]

I agree with that, only one year ring to prove the age of the bird. But if the old bird season is 'opened' up you would only need one ring anyway!

[Guest]

good idea richard m8, but i feel a simpler answer is to have a rule which states that only one year ring can be on any one bird at any one time.

 

That's the obvious solution Paul, but to simple for the RPRA as they would need to word it, like so many of their rules, so it becomes ambiguous, and your wording leaves no ambiguity, so no one can interpret it to suit themselves.   ;)

[Guest strapper]

there are races in the old birds season in the welsh north road fed thats open to any age...but near the end of the oldbird season.

[naedoos]

Interesting topic, there is a very simple way of solving this problem/loophole/cheating/bending the rules, call it what you like. The easiest way would be to allow the young birds to fly in the old bird season, thus taking away any problem what so ever. I cant see how racing young birds in the old bird season is a problem anyway if its what the owner wants. The old bird season could be renamed as any age season, and those wanting to enter young birds could do so as long as the birds were correctly sexed therefore preventing any trouble with the widowhood flyers. I think it would be a great way of reducing losses as well. I dont think for one minute many 'babies' would be able to compete with a fully motivated cock/hen on widowhood but those wishing to give the experience could be free to do so. Things change over time, and if the world of pigeon racing is to carry on then we as a sport need to move on to. Losses are killing the sport, could this be an answer? At the end of the day young bird or old bird its still going to be pigeon vs pigeon!

 

Even easier solution, issue the rings in March   ;D ;D ;D

[hotrod]

aye  yer right bob they will find a loophole no matter what saddo's or what?

[leighton1984]

over 3000 times this has been looked at and still going strong.

hope RPRA sent some thing good back before this go's to the dogs LoL

[hotrod]

over 3000 times this has been looked at and still going strong.

hope RPRA sent some thing good back before this go's to the dogs LoL

next thread leighton  when is an old bird not an old bird lol

 

 

[leighton1984]

Its been a good post they must be a lot just watching and see what going on this will be talked about a lot up and down the UK.

 

[hotrod]

i agree leighton but i wish more got involved  rather than sitting on the fence,great thread chairman

[PIGEON_MAN]

good idea richard m8, but i feel a simpler answer is to have a rule which states that only one year ring can be on any one bird at any one time.

 

This would be o.k.but what about people who are say in the NFC and MNFC,you have to have their rings on your youngbirds to be able to send in their youngbird races,this is one reason why some fanciers put two rings of the same year on their birds.