jacksafc Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 This is like banging your head aginst a brick wall, pigeonscout i've already stated the members you are saying are being deceived are fully aware the bird has 2 rings, theyre not being deceived, theyre not a bunch of thickos, theyre aware and have the option to take part with 2 rings. And Frank Dooman, from your reply i can only assume you've had more pints than me.
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 This is like banging your head aginst a brick wall, pigeonscout i've already stated the members you are saying are being deceived are fully aware the bird has 2 rings, theyre not being deceived, theyre not a bunch of thickos, theyre aware and have the option to take part with 2 rings. And Frank Dooman, from your reply i can only assume you've had more pints than me. Maybe your should bang you head a wee bit harder and it might sink in that if they know it is a young bird then they are also breaking the rules.
naedoos Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 in reply to jacksaf's dumb reply earlier if this happens then you are not trying to decieve anyone, you have just ran out of rings and it's better to have an old ring than none at all. besides if you have ran out of rings, chances are the young bird would be too young to race anyway, never mind race against old birds. as hotrod quoted you wouldn't get away with it up here, no matter what threats of court rulings chairman is trying to convince everyone with. personaly I'd take my chances in court, confident that even a blind man would see through what you guys are up to. on another note I sincerely wish you or anyone else all the best that wish to continue this practice to gain the "edge or advantage" if you so desire. but just ask yourselves why you feel you have to sink so low to try in your so obvious desperatation to gain a race ticket against a normal flyer. Is it because you will never attain that "edge or advantage" or even be able to compete against him using the rules as they were meant to be interpreted. If that is the case then you really are kidding yourselves on as you will always be also rans! And just think how much better he feels knowing what you are up to and he still manages to beat you as he undoubtably will as he is obviously a much better flyer than you could ever hope to be. Happy flyin guys ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 jacksafc i agree 100% with you pigeonscout i dont advocate anything you did not touch a raw nerve as you put it if ther is a loop hole in the rules and people want to take addvantage of it thats up to them if some fanciers such as your self dissagree with this then get the rule changed as i said before people have freedom of choice because of the loop hole you are the one who came up with 3 ways of cheating is this the sort of thing you are telling people to do as i said i dont cheat if people want to double ring their babies thats up to them if their club mates accept double rung birds thats up to them if it was against the rules dont you think the basketing commitee would kick them out or are they all stupid in the uk so you can bang on about this till the cows come untill the good old rpra fill in the hole it will still go on and as for me running a stud i dont and fairplay old son if you cant post a constructive veiw on this thread then turn your pc off mate old man maybe sad never its been a week since lenwadebob was in touch with rpra still nothing so dont hold your breath guys dragging their heels AGAIN oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 naedoos its got nowt to do with trying to gain a ticket its about exsperiance as i said in a preveious post the guys that do this aint trying to win a poxy little club or fed race theres no money in it read the posts mate before you try to knock fanciers oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 pigeonscout i agree you are against cheating i am to but your the one who jumped up to tell every fancier on the world wide web 3 ways of doing just that so now there will be someone in the world who will try to do it all because you posted on how to do it you should feel real proud of your self mate oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 pigeonscout i agree you are against cheating i am to but your the one who jumped up to tell every fancier on the world wide web 3 ways of doing just that so now there will be someone in the world who will try to do it all because you posted on how to do it you should feel real proud of your self mate oh happy days Does the word loop hole sound better than cheat. Why can you not get it into your head that if it is wearing a young bird ring it is a young bird and if it is a young bird then it is breaking the rules by racing with old birds, taping up the ring is only hiding that fact because it is still a young bird FACT. Now Joe I will ask you for the 3rd time. If you are telling fanciers they are doing no wrong then you should tell them what to say in their own defence when suspended under RPRA Rule 70(a) for deceit. Would I be correct in saying you do not have to worry about what to say because you do not race pigeons and will not be doing what your are telling others to do. Why can you not take it in to your head when someone tells you it is breaking the rules and what rule it is breaking? Why can you not get it into your head that there is no loop hole in rule 70(a) and you are not bending rule 70(a) you are breaking it. So once more Joe what should fanciers say when they are suspended for breaking this rule?
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 Joe show me one post where I am telling people it is ok to cheat. Show me one post where im telling people it is ok to bend the rules. If officals do not know how people cheat then they would not know what to look out for and therefor be no good at doing their job. There is not one person on this site that does not know how to cheat but it is you that is telling us it is ok to do so if you hide the fact you are cheating with a bit of tape?
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 Does the word loop hole sound better than cheat. Why can you not get it into your head that if it is wearing a young bird ring it is a young bird and if it is a young bird then it is breaking the rules by racing with old birds, taping up the ring is only hiding that fact because it is still a young bird FACT. Now Joe I will ask you for the 3rd time. If you are telling fanciers they are doing no wrong then you should tell them what to say in their own defence when suspended under RPRA Rule 70(a) for deceit. Would I be correct in saying you do not have to worry about what to say because you do not race pigeons and will not be doing what your are telling others to do. Why can you not take it in to your head when someone tells you it is breaking the rules and what rule it is breaking? Why can you not get it into your head that there is no loop hole in rule 70(a) and you are not bending rule 70(a) you are breaking it. So once more Joe what should fanciers say when they are suspended for breaking this rule? A cheat is someone who does not abide by the rules, one cannot abide by a rule which does not exist ( freedom to ring youngsters with different year rings ID) so if the rule does not exist, one therefore cannot be deemed a cheat !!!! hope its not to difficult to understand mate. this is a great thread well done the guys for all imput on here....... oh happy days :o
Williedoo Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 You can stop now joe61,that the 6000 hit. ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 Does the word loop hole sound better than cheat. Why can you not get it into your head that if it is wearing a young bird ring it is a young bird and if it is a young bird then it is breaking the rules by racing with old birds, taping up the ring is only hiding that fact because it is still a young bird FACT. Now Joe I will ask you for the 3rd time. If you are telling fanciers they are doing no wrong then you should tell them what to say in their own defence when suspended under RPRA Rule 70(a) for deceit. Would I be correct in saying you do not have to worry about what to say because you do not race pigeons and will not be doing what your are telling others to do. Why can you not take it in to your head when someone tells you it is breaking the rules and what rule it is breaking? Why can you not get it into your head that there is no loop hole in rule 70(a) and you are not bending rule 70(a) you are breaking it. So once more Joe what should fanciers say when they are suspended for breaking this rule? I have raced using this method of ringing pigeons, and was not stopped or chastisied or suspended by the RPRA ... i wonder why, give them my name and ask the RPRA to suspend me and other members I know because of this !!! They have not and will not because there is no cause to, no rules have been broken........... and alot of the top flyers in the country have also used this over the last 20 years !! if your to slow to think of it first thats nobody elses fault but your own. the members on here are putting in some great views and its good instead of all the back stabbing that used to go on... lets keep it going guys and gals.. this is what forums were meant to be about... ASK the RPRA to investigate me doing and racing this way ref the double ringing of pigeons, i welcome them to susupend me if they find i have cheated... they wont because they are not going to find that i have broken any rules. as for deciet... if i go out with sunglasses and a hat on and my friends cant recognise me at first glance, does this mean i have decieved them by covering my face ?????? oh happy days bring on the views people.... :)
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 A cheat is someone who does not abide by the rules, one cannot abide by a rule which does not exist ( freedom to ring youngsters with different year rings ID) so if the rule does not exist, one therefore cannot be deemed a cheat !!!! hope its not to difficult to understand mate. this is a great thread well done the guys for all imput on here....... oh happy days :o Joe your a cheat if you hide the fact it is a young bird by taping up its ring. This has been said more than once why can you not understand that. By taping up the ring to hide the fact it is a young bird breaks rule 70(a) how many times do you need told that before it sinks in. or is that to hard for you to understand. Joe cheating is not about breaking the rules the word 'Cheating' is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, and that is what you are doing by hiding the ring so by hiding the ring you are cheating Fact. Why don't you answer the question I have asked you 4 times or do you not have any defence if kicked out for cheating in this way.
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 I have raced using this method of ringing pigeons, and was not stopped or chastisied or suspended by the RPRA ... i wonder why, give them my name and ask the RPRA to suspend me and other members I know because of this !!! They have not and will not because there is no cause to, no rules have been broken........... and alot of the top flyers in the country have also used this over the last 20 years !! if your to slow to think of it first thats nobody elses fault but your own. the members on here are putting in some great views and its good instead of all the back stabbing that used to go on... lets keep it going guys and gals.. this is what forums were meant to be about... ASK the RPRA to investigate me doing and racing this way ref the double ringing of pigeons, i welcome them to susupend me if they find i have cheated... they wont because they are not going to find that i have broken any rules. as for deciet... if i go out with sunglasses and a hat on and my friends cant recognise me at first glance, does this mean i have decieved them by covering my face ?????? oh happy days bring on the views people.... :) suspend you from what? do you race pigeons Joe?
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 Joe there is no such thing as a top flyer who cheats the rules.
Guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 this is getting very boring now its like 6 gay men lets all join hands and form a circle
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 To race young birds with old birds is breaking the rules. Joe 61 says by pretending it is an old bird by hiding its young bird ring you are bending this rule not breaking it. Joe 61 says no one has the right to take the tape off to prove it is a young bird and therefor breaking the rule. Joe 61 says there is no rule to say you cannot tape up a ring to hide the fact you are breaking the rule. Joe 61 calls it bending the rules because they cannot prove you are breaking them by taking the tape off. Pigeonscout says if Joe 61 believes all this then Joe 61 has lost the plot.
joe61 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 well pigeonscout double ringing will go on this year and perhaps next year not in your club and fed tho and not in scotland wales i dont know in good old england forsure well as you say old joe 61 has lost the plot that is your opinion well there you go thats life i aint losing any sleep mate oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 well pigeonscout double ringing will go on this year and perhaps next year not in your club and fed tho and not in scotland wales i dont know in good old england forsure well as you say old joe 61 has lost the plot that is your opinion well there you go thats life i aint losing any sleep mate oh happy days People are breaking the rules every year, it does not make them better fanciers it makes them cheats.
joe61 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 pigeonscout when you say people are breaking the rules that is your opinion as i said if there is not a rule for double ringing then you cant break a rule that does not exsist and some top flyers do it i know for sure your in ireland so you dont have a clue what goes on in every club and fed up and down the country in england like you didnot have a clue about double ringing untill this thread was started so you race your birds how you want and let other people do the same your so full of how things should be done why not apply to go on rpra council but im sure you will want the last word on this fair play someone can only be in the middle of an odd number ie 7 11 13 19 ect not 6 you pratt oh happy days
grizzal Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 morning joe61, as you say it may well go on this year in some clubs and feds, but with you winding everyone up, I would think a proposal of some kind will be in ready for next years AGM. well done lads& lassis great thread ;D
RoryTheRed Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 I have put two 08 rings on my early ybs for the old bird season. The others will have 09 rings on and fly yb programme. New mating and then it was changed. Update you later in season
hotrod Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 I have put two 08 rings on my early ybs for the old bird season. The others will have 09 rings on and fly yb programme. New mating and then it was changed. Update you later in season i think thats OK it's your decision ,you CAN put old rings on all your youngsters this year if you wish ,BUT NOT OLD AND NEW rings on the same bird.
joe61 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 To race young birds with old birds is breaking the rules. Joe 61 says by pretending it is an old bird by hiding its young bird ring you are bending this rule not breaking it. Joe 61 says no one has the right to take the tape off to prove it is a young bird and therefor breaking the rule. Joe 61 says there is no rule to say you cannot tape up a ring to hide the fact you are breaking the rule. Joe 61 calls it bending the rules because they cannot prove you are breaking them by taking the tape off. Pigeonscout says if Joe 61 believes all this then Joe 61 has lost the plot. Your missing the point, what i am saying is the RPRA rule book does not say or state you cant do this !!!!!! so ask them why not ? call them and you will get rebuffed and told to call someone else . :-/
RoryTheRed Posted February 15, 2009 Report Posted February 15, 2009 Correct!Chris Balson did it years ago and wiped the floor with the club and fed. Sold some of the winners to louella at a later date
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