Black Pigeons the win races

[leighton1984]

seen how the thread about white birds doing well fort i start one about black birds that win lol.

so come on with some top stuff

[allenyeates]

Black 06 cock in my photos nestmate (another black cock) won 1st Saintes for my mate in Basingstoke who bred the pair

[jakjak]

my best black pigeon was a hermans, and won many prizes,

he was full of vitality........never ill......never blind treated for anything.......just a super pigeon

wish i had some now, but he never bred anything good :-/

[leighton1984]

I remember a club member in my club had 2 black cocks they was bros they was the best looking birds i ever seen.

never missed a race watch them from young birds grow up.

i bet they was good birds in the right hands he packed in some years back wish i know what they was.

[Guest challengerlofts]

wait & see next year 2009, from my white delbar x mealy pied jan theelen.

[REDCHEQHEN]

wait & see next year 2009, from my white delbar x mealy pied jan theelen.

 

you're not expecting to get a black one from them are you?

[Guest challengerlofts]

 

you're not expecting to get a black one from them are you?

 

got 1 black already & i'm expecting again.

 

 

[Guest challengerlofts]

 

 

Hope they do some good for you, it was a cross i looked at playing with this breeding season but for various reasons i just didnt think it would work.

 

I hope you can say one day though that my opinion is wrong - i think alot of both families and have both here but i couldnt see them together.  

 

make me wait, really. what else color next. 'coz from white delbar cock, got grizzle as well when it's mated to cheq pied soontjens hen.

 

 

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

with not having any whites - I didn't realise they produced other colours (and I know beautyhomer will say white isn't a colour - but I know what I mean even if nobody else does (kewl))

[barnsley_pigeonman]

best pigeons i had was black verots very good pigeons wish i had them now in my loft

[bewted]

with not having any whites - I didn't realise they produced other colours (and I know beautyhomer will say white isn't a colour - but I know what I mean even if nobody else does (kewl))

 

dont worry,i know exactly what you mean !!!

[Michael J Burden]

 

make me wait, really. what else color next. 'coz from white delbar cock, got grizzle as well when it's mated to cheq pied soontjens hen.

 

 

 

It is not surprising you got a grizzle from your white cock. It is a grizzle but so much so it is likely to be a double grizzle which can be pure white and will only if it is produce grizzle ybs.

 

Pure white birds are the product of soem different genes which cause an absence of the actual base colour, ie red, blue or brown.

 

White fantails are a good example.

 

Once you cross a pure white with a bird of a different gene, the hidden colour will unvail itsself. It could be a black one but the odds of this white being a black is very unlikely. You are more likely to win th elottery this week in my view.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

 

Hope they do some good for you, it was a cross i looked at playing with this breeding season but for various reasons i just didnt think it would work.

 

I hope you can say one day though that my opinion is wrong - i think alot of both families and have both here but i couldnt see them together.  

 

In the breeding of Jan Thelans there is Delbar and Jan Arden in most of the birds of Jan Thelan

[BLACK W F]

there is also brakius van wan roy  wan der wegen as well

[Roland]

Remember wel, a former fancier not living too far from JAK JAK actually back 20 - no 30 years named Willis ( A Gas man), went with a fellow named DickOakley to several local silos etc. and rung only the baby black ones. He settled them in to the new home, and in 3 - 4 short years devasted the club and fed with some great results... Sold out for a good price too thereafter.

Always told that they never even circled but went straight off from training flights.

Just a point of interest. And another, 'Was it because they had returned a bit back to nature'?

[Roland]

Agree a lot with vallance lofts here.

Buesseart also bought - first off - heavily from Delbar, when no other Belguim would - which incidentlt they never forgave him. However George was honest and straight forward with his renowned saying 'When in my loft they are Bussearts' etc. Jansenne etc. had a lot of crosses, of course they did, and the ones that help produce etc. became wll known. And just look at the 'Families' that contain Jansennes etc. Nebver spell the names right lol.

[OLDYELLOW]

 

I never made my judgement on paperwork, but on handling around 50 delbars and then again an endless amount of direct Jan Theelens and then soughting advice from the original owners of the birds i have here.

 

You could argue if you look deep enough into the pedigrees nearly all these new super distance strains will contain the likes of 'Jan Aarden', Van Wanroy and in truth there all crosses here there and everywhere with the attached owners name (Maurice Delbar,Jan Theelen)

 

As we have discussed before the Jos Thones contain the Delbar family but could and would not ever command the money of the Jos Thones, hence being Jos Thone and not Delbar x this that and another.

 

 

 

have to agree most roads lead back to a few old lofts , names come and go out of fashion but in my mind most are similar birds with a new fanciers name

[JSTOON]

Some of the good winning blacks at the moment are the blacks of Peter Van de Merwe lines, which originate back to the old tournier lines, which were fantastic distance pigeons. With the crosses Peter made with the De Klacks, Van Loon (which i have seen many of blacks from the late Mell Bell), they are still present now and winning big races. This breed/ strain of pigeons in my opinion have yet to take off in this country, and when they do they will de devastating as proved thus far in Holland. I read a good old article a while back, which showed how the Jan Arden strain were brought about. Dr Bricoux, who was responsible for breeding and retaining pigeons in the Second world war, and was responsible for some of the greatest fetes done by pigeons which served in the war.

Some of the original Bricouxs were also black, and when the war was over the birds were retained by Dr Bricoux, which later were to become some of the greatest distance flying birds. These birds were the start of the Jan Arden strain which came in later years.

[tom corrie]

Agree a lot with vallance lofts here.

Buesseart also bought - first off - heavily from Delbar, when no other Belguim would - which incidentlt they never forgave him. However George was honest and straight forward with his renowned saying 'When in my loft they are Bussearts' etc. Jansenne etc. had a lot of crosses, of course they did, and the ones that help produce etc. became wll known. And just look at the 'Families' that contain Jansennes etc. Nebver spell the names right lol.

 

what was the problem buying off delbar that they never fogave him

[harky]

 

It is not surprising you got a grizzle from your white cock. It is a grizzle but so much so it is likely to be a double grizzle which can be pure white and will only if it is produce grizzle ybs.

 

Pure white birds are the product of soem different genes which cause an absence of the actual base colour, ie red, blue or brown.

 

White fantails are a good example.

 

Once you cross a pure white with a bird of a different gene, the hidden colour will unvail itsself. It could be a black one but the odds of this white being a black is very unlikely. You are more likely to win th elottery this week in my view.

 

HI i crossed a grizzle cock with a white grizzle hen and in their first nest they produced a pair of blacks, un their second nest they produced a pair of white grizzles , just wondering if you know how this came about   :) :)

 

[budgie]

HI i crossed a grizzle cock with a white grizzle hen and in their first nest they produced a pair of blacks, un their second nest they produced a pair of white grizzles , just wondering if you know how this came about   :) :)

Wan of Tams gid Cocks must have jumped the dyke.

 

 

[mark]

 

In the breeding of Jan Thelans there is Delbar and Jan Arden in most of the birds of Jan Thelan

 

so in  theory they are classy crosses.

[OLDYELLOW]

 

so in  theory they are classy crosses.

 

most roads lead to Rome in this case good lofts with good birds the quality and genes are still here just wrapped up in another name

[harky]

Wan of Tams gid Cocks must have jumped the dyke.

 

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D aye it jumped the right way ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

black pigeons to win races, ive had a few ,,,,,but just a thought wonder if theres any proof in racing pigeons,, black or white,,, in hot weather or cold weather, as white is supposed to repel the heat , and black absorb   the heat,,,just a thought