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[dwh]

 

I would agree if they could get them up early then fine as long as they're no just gettin chucked up for the sake o keepin the north guys happy, but it's ludicrous to suggest that if they don't go up early to hold them till one o'clock as it is then not a distance race as it becomes two sprint races which then suits different birds

 

a 2 day race is not 2 sprint races how can it be the winngs birds r the birds that strike for home 1st from there overnight roost

[naedoos]

naedoos what would you think over 40 years and not once up at 5 am and you expect them to home at 620 to 660 miles for god sake you must know its imposible not given time and doos are tireing all the time flying into dark at 10pm  hrs of darkness 11pm remember were not flying to dundee and i can assure lots of bops from yoous tae broch at that time dusk a lot of strikes but what your saying other nats can lib but ours cant why???????????????????????

 

I know the B.O.P. situation, I've seen it time n time again as I drive that road regulary as I quoted earlier on this post supporting you guys!!

 

You have a bee in your bonnet regarding getting the birds up first thing in the morning which I agree with to a point, if it's okay then let them go. But if it isn't then you can't liberate so why keep going on about it????? I'm sure everything is taken into consideration regarding the libs and okay things don't always go to plan but the majority of the birds have to be considered not just the North birds!!

 

Once again remember, the longest SNFC race was won last year in Aberdeen for the first time ever, that's a great start and maybe just a wee taste of things to come for you guys

[walterbmasson]

;D

 

I would agree if they could get them up early then fine as long as they're no just gettin chucked up for the sake o keepin the north guys happy, but it's ludicrous to suggest that if they don't go up early to hold them till one o'clock as it is then not a distance race as it becomes two sprint races which then suits different birds

 

naedoos that is what has been said if its good at race point why hold them any longer than necessary its for the benifit of all birds not just some and i dont mean that in a bad way when the going gets tought let the tought get going after all its a national the only thing that is going to be different letting them go early the shorter birds are home quicker  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[naedoos]

 

a 2 day race is not 2 sprint races how can it be the winngs birds r the birds that strike for home 1st from there overnight roost

 

500miles divided by 2 = 250miles in my book = sprint racing not distance

 

Even if a distance doo sets off earlier than a sprint doo pretty sure the sprint doo'll get home first from that distance

[Guest stb-]

Guys even with a 1pm lib it is still very possible in some races for a good few birds to make it into the south section on the day but not much further.

 

Dont think it will ever be fair no matter what time.

[Guest bigda]

 

a 2 day race is not 2 sprint races how can it be the winngs birds r the birds that strike for home 1st from there overnight roost

 

yes thats the way i would see it  birds that go at 9-30  and are only flying 430 mile  are in the loft  with 3-4 hours to spare before dark,  and you want  other birds to be  just in there shed if they are lucky with a 1/2 to spare before dark for by,  the tempature change, and the fatgue seting in.  and you think this is all right,    no for me that  

[walterbmasson]

 

yes thats the way i would see it  birds that go at 9-30  and are only flying 430 mile  are in the loft  with 3-4 hours to spare before dark,  and you want  other birds to be  just in there shed if they are lucky with a 1/2 to spare before dark for by,  the tempature change, and the fatgue seting in.  and you think this is all right,    no for me that  

 

yes bigda m8 common sence at no time was it mentioned chuck them out in any weather its what is good for all birds if possible  ;D ;D ;D

[dwh]

 

500miles divided by 2 = 250miles in my book = sprint racing not distance

 

Even if a distance doo sets off earlier than a sprint doo pretty sure the sprint doo'll get home first from that distance

 

there s adifference naedoo a bird  out overnight and flwn 250mls+ in more often than not adverse conditions takes  it toll it cannot replace what energy supply its usd up by sitting in a tree its the love of home that gets them back home  quicker

imo a WINNING dsitance pigeon will get as close to home as possible b4 it roosts up why do think theres always 1 or 2 out in front ? JMO

[Guest stb-]

 

there s adifference naedoo a bird  out overnight and flwn 250mls+ in more often than not adverse conditions takes  it toll it cannot replace what energy supply its usd up by sitting in a tree its the love of home that gets them back home  quicker

imo a WINNING dsitance pigeon will get as close to home as possible b4 it roosts up why do think theres always 1 or 2 out in front ? JMO

 

I TINK MOST SPRINTERS WILL FLY TO GET AS CLOSE TO HOME ASWELL.

 

JUST BECAUSE ITS A SPRINTER DOSENT MEAN ONCE IT DOES 250MLS IT STOPS.

 

THEY COULD EASILY BE WELL UP THE COUNTRY BYE NIGHT FALL TO , BUT WOULD THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING FOR ANOTHER GO , WHO KNOWS.

 

I CERTAINLY NO PEOPLE WHEN FLYING PAU NFC MID DAY LIB CHANGED THERE BIRDS TO MORE MIDDLE DISTANCE PIGEONS BECAUSE THERE OLD 16HR ON WING BIRDS THAT HAD DONE WELL ON THE LONG SLOG FOR YEARS WERE TO SLOW

[Guest uphallhen]

 

I TINK MOST SPRINTERS WILL FLY TO GET AS CLOSE TO HOME ASWELL.

 

JUST BECAUSE ITS A SPRINTER DOSENT MEAN ONCE IT DOES 250MLS IT STOPS.

 

THEY COULD EASILY BE WELL UP THE COUNTRY BYE NIGHT FALL TO , BUT WOULD THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING FOR ANOTHER GO , WHO KNOWS.

 

I CERTAINLY NO PEOPLE WHEN FLYING PAU NFC MID DAY LIB CHANGED THERE BIRDS TO MORE MIDDLE DISTANCE PIGEONS BECAUSE THERE OLD 16HR ON WING BIRDS THAT HAD DONE WELL ON THE LONG SLOG FOR YEARS WERE TO SLOW

STB the way it's going bigda would love the national to be a sprint club and to all in the east we west guys have the hardest course to fly in any national.

 

 

[dwh]

 

I TINK MOST SPRINTERS WILL FLY TO GET AS CLOSE TO HOME ASWELL.

 

JUST BECAUSE ITS A SPRINTER DOSENT MEAN ONCE IT DOES 250MLS IT STOPS.

 

THEY COULD EASILY BE WELL UP THE COUNTRY BYE NIGHT FALL TO , BUT WOULD THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING FOR ANOTHER GO , WHO KNOWS.

 

I CERTAINLY NO PEOPLE WHEN FLYING PAU NFC MID DAY LIB CHANGED THERE BIRDS TO MORE MIDDLE DISTANCE PIGEONS BECAUSE THERE OLD 16HR ON WING BIRDS THAT HAD DONE WELL ON THE LONG SLOG FOR YEARS WERE TO SLOW

 

now you altering the thread suddenly there middle distance birds are distanc birds its management that has alot to do with how yor birds perform

[Guest stb-]

 

now you altering the thread suddenly there middle distance birds are distanc birds its management that has alot to do with how yor birds perform

 

no not altering the thread  top fanciers in the pau national changed there birds to sprint mid distance birds with the mid day lib as that type of bird could easily beat there older distance

 

pigeons  ,when the race was over 2 legs insted of one.   Not there management because if it were they would not have changed there birds as they were winning with them to start with.

 

And as i said earlier in the thread a 1pm lib you will still get fast pigeons into the south sect on the days  most times ,  then were all back to square one.

Just get em up as early as possible  and get on with it .

 

And as you boys up there say to us ,move on down and race here its 80mls shorter

so you wont need to worry about the 5.30 lib  ;D ;D

[BLACK W F]

STB the way it's going bigda would love the national to be a sprint club and to all in the east we west guys have the hardest course to fly in any national.

 

what a load of balls

[Chris Little]

Blimey, what a thread this is, playing catch-up..... a couple of points

 

Walter - I would love to live up your way so I can get some longer distance racing, most I can get at the moment is 518 miles the Scottish national races are getting shorter....

 

5am liberations.... go for it, sooner the better I say. Altough not Scottish look at the ultra long distance aces Brian Denny & Dave Impett, they both timed on the day 748 miles from Tarbes in 08   anything is possible when you have the right doos

[Guest stb-]

Blimey, what a thread this is, playing catch-up..... a couple of points

 

Walter - I would love to live up your way so I can get some longer distance racing, most I can get at the moment is 518 miles the Scottish national races are getting shorter....

 

5am liberations.... go for it, sooner the better I say. Altough not Scottish look at the ultra long distance aces Brian Denny & Dave Impett, they both timed on the day 748 miles from Tarbes in 08   anything is possible when you have the right doos

 

Well all i can say to that result at 748 on the day is  Distance Kills :X :X ;D ;D

[dwh]

 

no not altering the thread  top fanciers in the pau national changed there birds to sprint mid distance birds with the mid day lib as that type of bird could easily beat there older distance

 

pigeons  ,when the race was over 2 legs insted of one.   Not there management because if it were they would not have changed there birds as they were winning with them to start with.

 

And as i said earlier in the thread a 1pm lib you will still get fast pigeons into the south sect on the days  most times ,  then were all back to square one.

Just get em up as early as possible  and get on with it .

 

And as you boys up there say to us ,move on down and race here its 80mls shorter

so you wont need to worry about the 5.30 lib  ;D ;D

 

think me and you arguing same point from diff angles i'm not from up there i'm below you and all for early lib weather & conditions prmitting  get them up give them that can the chance to get home on the day  

[hotrod]

  i would say if not up by 7:30am  ,lib them at 1  or 2 pm ,depending on wind conditions  and make all stay out , the latest lib for the north sect at say 600 miles ,is in my opinion is 6 am to have any chance of doo's on the day (depending on the wind conditions) that gives the birds  16.5 -17 hrs to get home . so i agree with the north  boys get them up early. and by the way its not just the north that gets shut out with daylight ,theres been a few races were the winning south birds are being timed around 21:30 -22:00 ,so apart from the boys in the south maybe southeast nobody else has a hope of gettin a day doo.

[Guest stb-]

 

think me and you arguing same point from diff angles i'm not from up there i'm below you and all for early lib weather & conditions prmitting  get them up give them that can the chance to get home on the day  

 

sorted    yip get them up early as poss and get on with it.

 

Not quite the same timming at lunch time next day  at 590 mls is it .

 

cant beet waiting till dark hoping  for one on the shift to me , but if not always got the next day

[BLACK W F]

Blimey, what a thread this is, playing catch-up..... a couple of points

 

Walter - I would love to live up your way so I can get some longer distance racing, most I can get at the moment is 518 miles the Scottish national races are getting shorter....

 

5am liberations.... go for it, sooner the better I say. Altough not Scottish look at the ultra long distance aces Brian Denny & Dave Impett, they both timed on the day 748 miles from Tarbes in 08   anything is possible when you have the right doos

 

plenty hooses up here Chris and work  so why wait move up now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[walterbmasson]

hotrod you mention day doos up at 6am to time a doo at that time lib you will need a good helping wind and you also mention 21 30 to 22 pm i agree entirely thats the limit at 600}+we are not asking anything but the right to get our birds home on the day of lib if possible i think national means the best of all birds and fanciers and a god damed right to compete and that doesent mean not allowing the birds not to fly at the best hours of the day and forcing them down early wheh ther is no ljght and loosing 1hr at least [hotrod could you explain why they have to get up at 4 30am but not being allowed to have a day doo surly 5 am isnt asking nothing when hrs is 4 30 CHRIS LITTLE THE NORTH SEC HOLDS THE RECORD AS THE FASTEST FLYING 724 13HRS BUT CONDITIONS GALE OF WIND RIGHT UP THERE TAILS BUT STILL THE BIRD HAS TO BE ON THE BALL  

[hotrod]

hotrod you mention day doos up at 6am to time a doo at that time lib you will need a good helping wind and you also mention 21 30 to 22 pm i agree entirely thats the limit at 600}+we are not asking anything but the right to get our birds home on the day of lib if possible i think national means the best of all birds and fanciers and a god damed right to compete and that doesent mean not allowing the birds not to fly at the best hours of the day and forcing them down early wheh ther is no ljght and loosing 1hr at least [hotrod could you explain why they have to get up at 4 30am but not being allowed to have a day doo surly 5 am isnt asking nothing when hrs is 4 30 CHRIS LITTLE THE NORTH SEC HOLDS THE RECORD AS THE FASTEST FLYING 724 13HRS BUT CONDITIONS GALE OF WIND RIGHT UP THERE TAILS BUT STILL THE BIRD HAS TO BE ON THE BALL  

 

walter i said 6 am at the latest mate ,and if you have 17 hrs till 11pm at 40 mph or around 1180 ypm is 680 miles ,40 mph is not (a good helping hand) in my book just a steady race ,i agree get them up at daybreak ,what was it someone or organisation used to say AT DAWN WE GO . IF THE WEATHER IS OK GET THE DRINKERS ON THE BIRDS AT 4 AM AND GIVE THEM 30 MINS TO AN HOUR AND AWAY THEY GO (BUT  ONLY IF THE WEATHER IS OK) .

[VMS]

 

walter i said 6 am at the latest mate ,and if you have 17 hrs till 11pm at 40 mph or around 1180 ypm is 680 miles ,40 mph is not (a good helping hand) in my book just a steady race ,i agree get them up at daybreak ,what was it someone or organisation used to say AT DAWN WE GO . IF THE WEATHER IS OK GET THE DRINKERS ON THE BIRDS AT 4 AM AND GIVE THEM 30 MINS TO AN HOUR AND AWAY THEY GO (BUT  ONLY IF THE WEATHER IS OK) .

 

Is it the CSFC that has that moto Hotrod,think they broke away from the NFC and formed but i may be wrong. :-/ :-/

[hotrod]

 

Is it the CSFC that has that moto Hotrod,think they broke away from the NFC and formed but i may be wrong. :-/ :-/

 

NOT SURE VINCENT  sorry shoutin again ,i think some of the other members on here will put us right.

[VMS]

 

NOT SURE VINCENT  sorry shoutin again ,i think some of the other members on here will put us right.

 

Think it was mate they broke away and formed CSFC because they did not like the midday liberations that the NFC were having.Hence the motto AT DAWN WE GO.

[Guest stb-]

 

Think it was mate they broke away and formed CSFC because they did not like the midday liberations that the NFC were having.Hence the motto AT DAWN WE GO.

 

sonds like somthing from world war 2   ,  ;D ;D