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its afloor dressing for sttables made ffrom wood pulp not as dusty as easi bed and does'nt break down as easy as granules just heard about it this year

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Guest mick bowler
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Can i just say that in my experience you do not need this or any other anti-b to cure YBS, and if this is the only stuff that cures them then it is more than YBS!!

Guest strapper
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Can i just say that in my experience you do not need this or any other anti-b to cure YBS, and if this is the only stuff that cures them then it is more than YBS!!

 

mick you dont cure ybs..you treat with anti biotics to fend off the secondary infection..mainly e coli which is the killer.

i would not touch baytril for ybs...and only use it in extreme circumstances.

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Its sad that the first thing most vets go for is Baytril!

Doesn't matter what the critter is, bird, rabbit etc if they don't know what the problem is then give it Baytril!

Guest strapper
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Its sad that the first thing most vets go for is Baytril!

Doesn't matter what the critter is, bird, rabbit etc if they don't know what the problem is then give it Baytril!

 

thats the trouble phil..they know baytril will knock the illness for 6 and most prob get rid of it...so the customer thinks ..ah..good vet.

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has anybody read gary inkleys article in the homing world stud book about the YBS food for thought .

 

no wats it about wat page is it

Guest mick bowler
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mick you dont cure ybs..you treat with anti biotics to fend off the secondary infection..mainly e coli which is the killer.

i would not touch baytril for ybs...and only use it in extreme circumstances.

 

Strapper, never had a secondary in the twice i've seen it. I think the problem is that YBS is now an umbrella for a number of different illnesses that affect Ybs, but as i said the ones i've seen can usually be cured quite easily without the use of anti-bs, hence whay i said it is probably something more severe.

 

Also just say my 2009 Ybs were diagnosed with e-coli (high count) and never lost 1 thru death, and never treated with medicine either.

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Wife rescued a rabbit and took it to the vet without my knowledge, when she got back she told me what she'd done, I laughed and said, let me guess they've given you some baytril!

Yes was the answer, I told her i'd give the rabbit 3 days, it made 2 1/2!

Guest frank dooman
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Its sad that the first thing most vets go for is Baytril!

Doesn't matter what the critter is, bird, rabbit etc if they don't know what the problem is then give it Baytril!

 

yes and some on here say dont abuse antibiotics so just go to most vets and pay plenty for the privledge to abuse it thats my point about treating blind if there was a good local vet yes i would test but there just not there

Guest mick bowler
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I don't give away too much usually  ;D but try looking up "Bentonite Clay", worth a read, especially how its used with horses.  ;)

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no wats it about wat page is it

 

adam its in page 172 . i had gary visit me today for a look at my doos hes aproper gentleman and crack doo man .

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there are far to few specialist vets arround, maybe the RPRA should fund a few students through vet school to specialise in pigeon desease's!

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Wife rescued a rabbit and took it to the vet without my knowledge, when she got back she told me what she'd done, I laughed and said, let me guess they've given you some baytril!

Yes was the answer, I told her i'd give the rabbit 3 days, it made 2 1/2!

 

THAT WAS A WASTE OF A GOOD RABBIT

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adam its in page 172 . i had gary visit me today for a look at my doos hes aproper gentleman and crack doo man .

 

i got it mate ive read it coz u said food 4 thought thats y i couldnt find it cracking right up his birds look reallyn well the way hes doin it to how can u knock him look wat he does u got follow the champs  ;)

Guest strapper
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Strapper, never had a secondary in the twice i've seen it. I think the problem is that YBS is now an umbrella for a number of different illnesses that affect Ybs, but as i said the ones i've seen can usually be cured quite easily without the use of anti-bs, hence whay i said it is probably something more severe.

 

Also just say my 2009 Ybs were diagnosed with e-coli (high count) and never lost 1 thru death, and never treated with medicine either.

 

hi mick..i think there is a slight difference to what you had to ybs..what i mean is this...if your birds were diagnosed in 2009 with e coli..what did you give them to get them over it?..are you saying they cured themselves?

 

when youngbirds have ybs..they are suffering and their imune system is fighting like mad to get them over it..just when the imune system has been lowered through fighting off this ybs(adeno virus)...BANG! in jumps e coli...this what kills them off...imune system is too low to fight both off.

imunity can only defend against illneses for so long,eventually it will succumb to the illness.

 

im not doubting your experience but would like to know what you used at the time of your e coli infection?

 

 

Guest mick bowler
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Strapper, the E-coli needs to be a manifestion rather than an infection to kill birds. The count of mine was high, but they still never looked that bad. Amoxicillin was advised, but my thought was what chance a sick YB being bombarded with anti-bs that kill everything good as well as bad. IMO their digestive systems need help not worsening.

 

I treated with a mixture of what i used to use and failed to give as a preventative this year and that is Cider Vinegar, Oregano and Yoghurt as well as cod liver oil for vitamin support. I also found out about the clay and believe this was the biggest factor in changing my birds health. Our local pharmacist (and a vet) recommended it to me based on his experience with local farmers of sheep and especially horses where it is given as a lick. I crushed it and left it in a clay pot. The pot was cleared by the morning, it was left empty for 12 hours and then refilled and the same happened. I did this for 3 days, as well as the oregano oil on the corn and the CV in the water.

 

The original tests also showed a streppococcus high count.

 

The re-tests (cultures) showed up normal levels.

 

 

 

Guest strapper
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Strapper, the E-coli needs to be a manifestion rather than an infection to kill birds. The count of mine was high, but they still never looked that bad. Amoxicillin was advised, but my thought was what chance a sick YB being bombarded with anti-bs that kill everything good as well as bad. IMO their digestive systems need help not worsening.

 

I treated with a mixture of what i used to use and failed to give as a preventative this year and that is Cider Vinegar, Oregano and Yoghurt as well as cod liver oil for vitamin support. I also found out about the clay and believe this was the biggest factor in changing my birds health. Our local pharmacist (and a vet) recommended it to me based on his experience with local farmers of sheep and especially horses where it is given as a lick. I crushed it and left it in a clay pot. The pot was cleared by the morning, it was left empty for 12 hours and then refilled and the same happened. I did this for 3 days, as well as the oregano oil on the corn and the CV in the water.

 

The original tests also showed a streppococcus high count.

 

The re-tests (cultures) showed up normal levels.

 

 

 

i think amoxicillin should be used b4 using baytril, anyhow...mick i wasnt doubting your cure ..as an open mind is better than a closed one.

cider vinegar would have produced an acidic enviroment , as we know a higher acidic level help to prevent bacteria growing in the gut.

maybe you have found a solution that works for you, you caught it very quickly.

im not afraid to experiment myself,as this will only benefit others if it works.

forgot to add..some strains that are closely connected with ybs are toxin strains of e coli....maybe you have successfully eliminated the toxins which weakened the e coli strain.

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yes and some on here say dont abuse antibiotics so just go to most vets and pay plenty for the privledge to abuse it thats my point about treating blind if there was a good local vet yes i would test but there just not there

 

same here ffrank how many vets know wat they talking bout when it comes to pigeons i use a top flyer near us to test our dropping if something wrong never failed yet to diagnose and cure them :) :)

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