water everywhere

[Guest]

thats the problem then, i just seen on the sheet of paper from louella thet all the birds where injected and my are not injected yet, fu-k.

 

Wattle if they were injected they should not pass it on to your birds. The vaccines we use are non activated and do not contain PMV. If the Ybs had it they could still pass it on to the birds that been vacc'd, the vaccine just stops it from having full blown pmv. my vet who vacc'd my birds told me never to mix the vacc'd ones with ones not done, why i don't know??

 

Maybe they had it before they were injected??

 

[Ronnie]

Its paramyxo virus mate i had it first year i started a great team of youngbirds from local flyers bought 12in from louella exactly same symptoms your showing now. water everywhere bits of green poo in the pools.Only a vet will tell you for sure .but you need to get the healthier one's vaccinated as soon as possible.Get them to a vet tomorrow you will see them dying in 4-5days if you dont.Fingers crossed for ya

[sandra p]

our paramax was confirmed by vets at defra most vets havnt got the equipment to check for viruses never affected old birds went on for months as each bird got it as tme went by did u have live bird killed and tested or just guessing

[Roland]

Just blast the crap out of the with Baytril.... seems the thing to do eh!

Find out the reality and treat - if need be - approiately.

[little sam]

VET IS THE BEST, THEY DO IT FOR A LIVING !!

[Roland]

Its paramyxo virus mate i had it first year i started a great team of youngbirds from local flyers bought 12in from louella exactly same symptoms your showing now. water everywhere bits of green poo in the pools.Only a vet will tell you for sure .but you need to get the healthier one's vaccinated as soon as possible.Get them to a vet tomorrow you will see them dying in 4-5days if you dont.Fingers crossed for ya

 

So what :-/ :o I can give you a few others that it may well be.... but I suppose as you have had similar then it must be right eh!

 

First thing you do, and this is reality, feed only tic beens -  Maples with a few peanuts - for three days. THEN put them after three day onto a Blank WHITE floor.... any with loose, watery droppings are best got shot off. Simple that, even I can understand that.

Or pm me, and I'll give another phone number.... but end product will be that you can or can't cure them.

[Dave barrie]

well wattle, you have a lot of replies on here all good advice, treatin for everything under the sun, but jimmy told you straight, droppin to the vet, costs a pound but cheaper in the l;ong run, you say you kept birds thirty year, didnt you come accross this before?? anything from different lofts separate because they all have different imunities, ok.are the louella birds in same section, if yes treat for coccie, if not and spread thro,out then treat as flock, it wont be para as its a dead virus when injected so cant travel, also feed barley as it will firm them up , barley is underestimated and is great for getting birds right, hope this helps davy.

[andy]

Sounds LIke paramyxo to me. A few people I know have got youngsters from the same source this year and bucketed them right away. Although your older birds IF VACCINATED shouldn't have caught it.

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

i got 12 jan ardens from louella ten days ago, two days after the were squirting clear water out of them, thought it would clear with probiotics,now the whole loft has it,every single bird young and old 70 birds down with it, even young in nests.all still eating and drinking alot of water. water everywhere never seen anything like it in 30 years of pigeon keeping.

ps, before i got the louella birds everything was perfect.   :-/

 

Well just as the season is about to kick off you bring in new birds, I will give you some really sound advice mate,

1. Do not bring youngsters into your loft from elsewhere, breed your own.

2. There is an equilibrium within the loft which you have now upset.

3. Do not panic.

4.You have learned the hardest way of all.

 

How to put right. well my advice on that is, Do not let them out for 2 weeks clean water only and light feed like a diet mix. wash all utensils with a milton if not V18.

 

do not give grit , but give powder black and pink minerals on dry days during the 2 weeks.

If symptoms persist after 3-4 days and do not stat to improve , go to a vet.

 

 

DO NOT GIVE ANTIBIOTICS WITHOUT VET ADVICE FIRST. !!!!!!  

 

 

hope this helps and your bird get better. :-/

 

 

 

 

 

[greenlands]

In my opinion concidering both old and young birds are suffering from the same problem I think you've got salmonella in the loft.Symptoms are the same as pmv without the head twisting.Best advice is get them tested A.S.A.P.Lindsay

[pjc]

A member in our club had this last year and its a varient of paramyxo! Firstly started in youngsters, by the time he'd lost half the team he killed the rest because a vet had diagnosed YBS and they were getting wrong treatment. Then it moved into his yearlings which had been jabbed the previous season so again killed the lot, burnt all interior fittings in the loft, flooded the place with virkon-s. Thinking the problem was gone it then started in his stock loft at his own house (his race loft is in his fathers garden). Again it was suspected to have come in on a couple of new youngsters.

Wattle, have any started dieing yet?

 

It is a lesson learned here, never mix or introduce birds from different sources until you have quaranteened for 7 days!

 

Is this not also what went through the Scotland one loft race last year?

[n inger]

i know of six people thats had y/birds from louella and all had same symtems had birds tested confirm pmv. one fancier just started up new loft got birds from louella only birds in loft same symtems.

[Guest strapper]

ive recently recieved paperwork that paratyhoid outbreaks in south wales,this i feel is roaming far a field as many reports of these symptoms are heard,its well known that para has similar symptoms to paratyphoid,last season there were loads of reports of fanciers believing they had paramixo when it was salmonella/paratyphoid....this was all over the uk!

a clear sign of paramixo is the black string like droppings in water....droppings.

there were also many reports of (as stated by phil)a varient of para without the head turning etc.

 

looking at this matter i feel there is a fast growing problem ...with these problems....am i right in saying that colombavac has recently changed their formula in their vaccination?

[Ronnie]

 

So what :-/ :o I can give you a few others that it may well be.... but I suppose as you have had similar then it must be right eh!

 

First thing you do, and this is reality, feed only tic beens -  Maples with a few peanuts - for three days. THEN put them after three day onto a Blank WHITE floor.... any with loose, watery droppings are best got shot off. Simple that, even I can understand that.

Or pm me, and I'll give another phone number.... but end product will be that you can or can't cure them.

 

Having a bad day Roland?I was only offering an opinion mate and if you read it you will see i dont offer a cure i tell the guy to go to a vet.

Its the thing with forums people ask for advice if i worded it not to your liking i'm sorry i was only trying to help maybe i should put "in my opinion i think" at the front of every post eh   .

 

 

[pjc]

how are they wattle and what have you done with them?

[Fair Play]

One of the worst things for spreading any infection between lofts is the fancier himself how many of just tramp from one section to another without cleaning or changing your footwear - especially with an infection being present an old pair of "wellies" and a tray of disinfectant will clear up a lot of the ailments and help to keep it under control .

[Guest]

DONT TREAT THESE BIRDS FOR ANY THING,GET THEM TESTED [ NOW ] IF YOU NEED ANY HELP PM ME WITH YOUR PHONE NO

[OLDYELLOW]

How come every time someone buys birds in they are the source of infection to the rest of there flock ??? i think they need to look at there loft management , i have had birds from Louella and only one time did i have a problem , but now my management controls most illnesses to the point i dont need to treat , but the first stop with any ailment must be a vet test regulary keep them health and support there immunity,  not depleat it with every medication going

[Guest]

ADENOVIRUS :-/ i now of many fanciers that have had problems with this stud, old and young birds its nothing to do with managment

[OLDYELLOW]

ADENOVIRUS :-/ i now of many fanciers that have had problems with this stud, old and young birds its nothing to do with managment

 

bought 4 in last season all tested clear , but birds that travel in boxes get stressed ectra so should be looked after well and given electrolytes when recieved  

[blaz]

my 2 went away this morning to the doocot in the sky

[OLDYELLOW]

my 2 went away this morning to the doocot in the sky

 

Send rings back

[Guest]

 

bought 4 in last season all tested clear , but birds that travel in boxes get stressed ectra so should be looked after well and given electrolytes when recieved  

i would have to agree with you on this one as any new birds that i bring in are tested and kept in isolation for ten days.

 

 

[Guest IB]

Sorry to hear of your problem Wattle. No offence, but I think its way beyond the 'first aid' stage and / or guesses from members on here, you really need to see an avian vet ASAP.

 

It's too easy to jump to conclusions: this could have been working on your birds and spread to the new ones; Quarantine is a must with all incomers.  

[Guest kev d]

always keep them seperated for at least a week before mixing with your own .

if there sqirting water put them on a high protien diet with glucose in the water and honey as well

with a little bit of salt to pick at but not much that should firm the droppings up also you can put a bit of complan

on there corn , dont rush to pump them of pills and potions just leave them alone and see what happens , strees is a big problem

they will settle down .