OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 fanciers wil rather spend hundreds of pounds on treatment they actualy think its cheaper than going to a vet , i feel if more went to vets they would save far more and not need birds proped up with a pill bottle , the problem is this weak birds wil get sick yes you can cure thembut the same bird will bring the rest down later on and is ineffect a gateway for sickness to come into the loft P.M.V Vaccinne does work but only to a certain degree and from recent out breaks last year it is either ineffective or there are those out there that flaunt the rules , i wouldnt say most problems are down to .pm.v .vaccine just fanciers filling there birds with medicines they dont need then when it come they have a problem that requires an over used medicine it becomes ineffective then you have real problems
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 can you tell we were all these ailments hide ? the reason i ask is had my birds tested last year and they could'nt find cocci,canker or respatory disease. are you saying that pigeons need to be treated before every race to show their true potential?. is it true that when you give antibiotics it makes the pigeon produce more white bloodcells thus giving it a boost.? this is what i've been told. i realy cant ans your question as i dont use antibiotics but treating for the usual canker/cocci/worms isnt using antibiotics that is the point ive been trying to tell you and no not every race once per season unless there is a flare up
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Aviform Ultimate and cider vinegar and naturaline had no canker for over a year nor worms for about 4 years
andrew gooch Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 fanciers wil rather spend hundreds of pounds on treatment they actualy think its cheaper than going to a vet , i feel if more went to vets they would save far more and not need birds proped up with a pill bottle , the problem is this weak birds wil get sick yes you can cure thembut the same bird will bring the rest down later on and is ineffect a gateway for sickness to come into the loft P.M.V Vaccinne does work but only to a certain degree and from recent out breaks last year it is either ineffective or there are those out there that flaunt the rules , i wouldnt say most problems are down to .pm.v .vaccine just fanciers filling there birds with medicines they dont need then when it come they have a problem that requires an over used medicine it becomes ineffective then you have real problems yes hade people come to me for a treatment last year to clear up the watery droping after para recommend by de weerd thay had vaccinated .
walterbmasson Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 THANKS OLD YELLOW I DO USE CIDER VINEGER BUT WILL TRY AVIFORM ULTIMATEINSTEAD OF BS WILL POST RESULTS LATER 8) 8)
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Aviform Ultimate and cider vinegar and naturaline had no canker for over a year nor worms for about 4 years old yellow i have used av/ult and still use cidar vinigar, naturaline is just an iron tonic/greens, but when i have used av/ult i have had the birds getting yeast in the crop ,but when i stopped using it, the yeast stopped as well.
jimmy white Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 yes , i would agree, a vaccination is not a treatment, but a safegaurd to save a treatment
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 naturaline is not an iron tonic is enchinea ? i have had no problem with yeast whilst using the products i use
just ask me Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Aviform Ultimate and cider vinegar and naturaline had no canker for over a year nor worms for about 4 years i use garlic too in the water also once every 2 weeks during race season i pu some down there throat chopped up i also used flight-path last year will be useing gain this year think this is a good product i also juice up lots of greens and two table spoons too a litre of water
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 naturaline is not an iron tonic is enchinea ? i have had no problem with yeast whilst using the products i use where on the bottle does it say this
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 where on the bottle does it say this http://www.everythingforpets.com/de_scheemaeker_natural_naturaline.pet/use.id.5.item_id.619.dept.113/
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 http://www.everythingforpets.com/de_scheemaeker_natural_naturaline.pet/use.id.5.item_id.619.dept.113/ well i just went out to the loft qas i an unopened bottle it say's concentrated GREENS and plant extract not once does it say echineacea.
aye ready Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 I think whats wrong with some fanciers is they buy too many products and then they find there aren't enough days in the week to give them all,so they just lie unused and go out of date etc.Chose a couple of broad use products and then plan the days of the season your going to give them i.e tues/thurs
walterbmasson Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 FRAnk all the top national flyers that i know all treat for cocci canker worms ive the same mind as yourself if all fanciers did this at the start of season there wont be so much passed in race panniers common sense 8) 8) 8)
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 well i just went out to the loft qas i an unopened bottle it say's concentrated GREENS and plant extract not once does it say echineacea. read the product discription on above link 3rd line enchinea is derived from greens and flowers
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 read the product discription on above link 3rd line enchinea is derived from greens and flowers is it echinecea your meening which helps with respitory etc?
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 not respiritry , bug build up naturaly look it up on wikipedia very interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea#Medicinal_effects
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 FRAnk all the top national flyers that i know all treat for cocci canker worms ive the same mind as yourself if all fanciers did this at the start of season there wont be so much passed in race panniers common sense 8) 8) 8) exactly what think
Guest strapper Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 i now treat for pmv in all my birds,race and stock birds,i witnessed how one fancier lost good stockbirds because he believed his stock would not get it.
aye ready Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 I think fanciers should get a yearly wall planner [harkers were giving them away at blackpool]and once they find out the start of their race programme pencil in a treatment/product plan i.e canker every 4 weeks aviform tues/thurs probiotic sunday.this is just a guide as fanciers can make their own minds up
Guest IB Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 FRAnk all the top national flyers that i know all treat for cocci canker worms ive the same mind as yourself if all fanciers did this at the start of season there wont be so much passed in race panniers common sense 8) 8) 8) No offence, but it's far from common sense. Firstly, most of the products used to 'treat' these are antibiotics. Secondly, an antibiotic does not kill all the organisms, or the disease, it only reduces their numbers long enough / to a level which the immune system can clears them, the immune system has to wrk to do that final cleanout. Thirdly, any organisms left over after treatment becomes immune to the whole class of medication used, quickly multiplies back to former levels, and eventually become superbugs immune to everything you use. So it would appear that it needs to be a disease level before treatment works. So-called preventative treatment on something that is at low levels would appear to be the worst of all the options. If it's low, the bird should be clearing it out itself. Totally different matter when levels are high - but then again doesn't that raise another question - on the birds constitution?
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 i vaccinate for P.M.V its a nasty disease and in order to race its a requirement thats one thing we all should do by rules , its not treating because if your treating your curing an ailment they have got not preventing one they may get SIMPLE BLIND TREATING :-/ THATS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
frank-123 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 oldyellow i have said to you before if you take three birds to the vet and they are given the all clear but the fifty you have in the loft have something wrong with them the vet only tested your three birds can you tell us what prizes you have won by using this vet ? i know hotrod and frankdooman are quite successful flyers
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 For every successful fancier that chooses this route,there will be another that does not,each to their own.
frank-123 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 true vincent but i reckon most successful fanciers treat for canker and respitory
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