Injections

[Kyleakin Lofts]

My yb's were injected for paramyxovirus early July 2009.  I have several uninjected latebreds.  When should the latebreds be injected and if this is next year prior to racing, do my injected birds need done at the same time or do I wait the full year?  When should next year's yb's be injected?  I have heard this is done when weaning them.

Paratyphoid injections don't seem compulsory.  Am I correct in this assumption?  What are your views on Paratyphoid injections and if you use them when do you give them?

[Delboy]

Paratyphoid injections are not compulsary.My advice- Dont do it unless you really need to. Natural immunity is the key to longevity and the secret component when trying to establish a decent family of pigeons.

[mark croker]

Paratyphoid injections after the moult but atleast 1 month before breeding, paramyxovirus i would do them now and keep them away from the others for 14 days and jab all of them before racing next year, including the latebred young, thats what i would do, some people jab twice a yer anyway so it will do no harm, hope this helps  

[fred smyth]

Paratyphoid injections are not compulsary.My advice- Dont do it unless you really need to. Natural immunity is the key to longevity and the secret component when trying to establish a decent family of pigeons.

 

i thought they were compulsary if u want to race , has this changed

[mark croker]

yea, Paratyphoid injections are not compulsary, if you have not treated before for Paratyphoid i would just treat with para-stop then if they stop responding after a couple of years then jab

[just ask me]

Paratyphoid injections are not compulsary.My advice- Dont do it unless you really need to. Natural immunity is the key to longevity and the secret component when trying to establish a decent family of pigeons.

 

how do these Paratyphiod injections  effect natural immuinity  :-/

[mark croker]

 

i thought they were compulsary if u want to race , has this changed

 

Thats the other para, paramyxovirus  

 

 

[Guest strapper]

Paratyphoid injections after the moult but atleast 1 month before breeding, paramyxovirus i would do them now and keep them away from the others for 14 days and jab all of them before racing next year, including the latebred young, thats what i would do, some people jab twice a yer anyway so it will do no harm, hope this helps  

 

sound advice!!!

[Guest IB]

My yb's were injected for paramyxovirus early July 2009.  I have several uninjected latebreds.  When should the latebreds be injected and if this is next year prior to racing, do my injected birds need done at the same time or do I wait the full year?  When should next year's yb's be injected?  I have heard this is done when weaning them.

Paratyphoid injections don't seem compulsory.  Am I correct in this assumption?  What are your views on Paratyphoid injections and if you use them when do you give them?

 

My 2009 YBs were injected against PMV in July, that will take them to the end of racing [July 2010] so next they'll be done is Jan/Feb 2011 2/3 weeks prior to pairing up, for the 2011 racing season. The reason they were done so late this year was nobilis 80 dose was in short supply, because colombovac wasn't available.

 

 

I've 5 late breds, and I intend to do them in Jan/Feb 2010 2/3 weeks prior to pairing up, along with race birds 2-yo and above, for the 2010 racing season.

Advice from vets is to inject young birds for PMV as soon as they leave the nest. But watch their age and minimum recommended age on vaccine leaflet. The advice is based on getting it done before circovirus calls, [the equivalent of the human AIDS virus] prior infection with circovirus would prevent PMV vaccine taking effect.

 

Paratyphoid injections are not compulsory. Like any disease, the decision should be based on whether or not it's needed. Are your birds likely to come into contact with it?  Is it prevalent in your area?

[mark croker]

I think Paratyphoid is on most corns now, it is from mice urinating on corn most of the time and for corn companys to stop that would be impossible, its not about the area its more about your loft, like do you leave the corn in for mice to get to it ect,

[Guest strapper]

most if not all corn merchants recieve their food from farms where there are hundreds of ways for rodents to urinate on the corn b4 its shipped to cron merchants.

the places where its stored are open to everything.

 

just imagine ....ur spuds are the same!

[mark croker]

I will jab the family when i do the birds  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest IB]

Not 100% sure on this:

 

Animal feed hygeine laws, including those for pet food, have been tightened up to include test sampling for environemental stuff that shouldn't be in it, so hopefully contaminated grain shouldn't even be accepted for sale?

 

The actual source of the strain of salmonella [one?] that infects pigeons doesn't appear to be known. Mice and rats are said to carry their own different strains. While I woudn't want mice or rats about the loft, I think paratyphoid infection is more likely to come from another pigeon?

[Guest Owen]

I vaccinate for paratyphoid after the moult in the old birds. To do it properly, it takes 16 days to complete the whole job. I have a problem with the young cocks because they have been on darkness and as I say I want them to complete the moult. So I am forced to do them much later.

I believe that our birds pick it up from other people's pigeons and probably from feral birds they come into contact with on their way home from races. I am convinced that when birds are tired, hungry and feeling lost they will go down to feral birds, even if it is for a short while. Judging from the state some of these ferals are in, it is easy to see how our birds can become infected by them.

Maybe it is paratyphoid that is behind at least some of the young bird losses. I am sure that it is more prevelant than many of us realise.

I vaccinate for paramixovirus each Spring in old birds and twice in the youngsters. The youngsters are done at weaning and again at roughly three months old. I am sure that paramixovirus is quite a common problem in a lot of lofts. In fact it seems to be cropping up on this Forum quite regularly.

In regard to the idea of building up the natural immunity in the birds. To me, that is a grand idea, but I doubt if it would be possible to achieve these days. I agree that the birds can be built up to deal with canker, cocci and repiratory problems. But not worms or viral diseases. And I very much doubt if paratyphoid, a bacterial infection, could be contained by natural immunity. And the bad thing about this disease is the fact that it can be present in a subclinical form without it showing itself for years. Of course the danger then is that as soon as the birds are put under pressure it will take it's chance and make the birds very sick. I know that I have had birds that have loose droppings for no apparant reason. Then they are right again, and after a while they have the loose droppings again. The proper thing to do is to get the Vet to take a sample and send it to a lab for culture. But frankly, I think that very few of us would go that far, and very few Vets would suggest it as an option.

I think that our birds are not much differant to our children in as much as they need an immunity which is produced by properly carried out vaccinations.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Many thanks for info.

[deb]

I vaccinate for paratyphoid after the moult in the old birds. To do it properly, it takes 16 days to complete the whole job. I have a problem with the young cocks because they have been on darkness and as I say I want them to complete the moult. So I am forced to do them much later.

I believe that our birds pick it up from other people's pigeons and probably from feral birds they come into contact with on their way home from races. I am convinced that when birds are tired, hungry and feeling lost they will go down to feral birds, even if it is for a short while. Judging from the state some of these ferals are in, it is easy to see how our birds can become infected by them.

Maybe it is paratyphoid that is behind at least some of the young bird losses. I am sure that it is more prevelant than many of us realise.

I vaccinate for paramixovirus each Spring in old birds and twice in the youngsters. The youngsters are done at weaning and again at roughly three months old. I am sure that paramixovirus is quite a common problem in a lot of lofts. In fact it seems to be cropping up on this Forum quite regularly.

In regard to the idea of building up the natural immunity in the birds. To me, that is a grand idea, but I doubt if it would be possible to achieve these days. I agree that the birds can be built up to deal with canker, cocci and repiratory problems. But not worms or viral diseases. And I very much doubt if paratyphoid, a bacterial infection, could be contained by natural immunity. And the bad thing about this disease is the fact that it can be present in a subclinical form without it showing itself for years. Of course the danger then is that as soon as the birds are put under pressure it will take it's chance and make the birds very sick. I know that I have had birds that have loose droppings for no apparant reason. Then they are right again, and after a while they have the loose droppings again. The proper thing to do is to get the Vet to take a sample and send it to a lab for culture. But frankly, I think that very few of us would go that far, and very few Vets would suggest it as an option.

I think that our birds are not much differant to our children in as much as they need an immunity which is produced by properly carried out vaccinations.

 

Really helpful, Thanks Owen.

[HOMER49]

I vaccinate for paratyphoid after the moult in the old birds. To do it properly, it takes 16 days to complete the whole job. I have a problem with the young cocks because they have been on darkness and as I say I want them to complete the moult. So I am forced to do them much later.

I believe that our birds pick it up from other people's pigeons and probably from feral birds they come into contact with on their way home from races. I am convinced that when birds are tired, hungry and feeling lost they will go down to feral birds, even if it is for a short while. Judging from the state some of these ferals are in, it is easy to see how our birds can become infected by them.

Maybe it is paratyphoid that is behind at least some of the young bird losses. I am sure that it is more prevelant than many of us realise.

I vaccinate for paramixovirus each Spring in old birds and twice in the youngsters. The youngsters are done at weaning and again at roughly three months old. I am sure that paramixovirus is quite a common problem in a lot of lofts. In fact it seems to be cropping up on this Forum quite regularly.

In regard to the idea of building up the natural immunity in the birds. To me, that is a grand idea, but I doubt if it would be possible to achieve these days. I agree that the birds can be built up to deal with canker, cocci and repiratory problems. But not worms or viral diseases. And I very much doubt if paratyphoid, a bacterial infection, could be contained by natural immunity. And the bad thing about this disease is the fact that it can be present in a subclinical form without it showing itself for years. Of course the danger then is that as soon as the birds are put under pressure it will take it's chance and make the birds very sick. I know that I have had birds that have loose droppings for no apparant reason. Then they are right again, and after a while they have the loose droppings again. The proper thing to do is to get the Vet to take a sample and send it to a lab for culture. But frankly, I think that very few of us would go that far, and very few Vets would suggest it as an option.

I think that our birds are not much differant to our children in as much as they need an immunity which is produced by properly carried out vaccinations.

 

Hi

Well thought out Owen

Can I ask what you use in your run up to paratyphoid injection ?

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[frank-123]

heard of someone injecting with both paratyphoid and paramaxo at the same time

would you?

oh and youngbirds leaving the nest get the same treatment both at the same time

[Guest Owen]

HOMER 49

the recommended way to prepare the birds for the injection is as follows:- 10 days on either amoxicilin or baytril. 3 days on multi vitamin 2 or 3 days rest and vaccinate. Remove all grit during the treatment and keep the birds in the loft. Make sure that you scrub and disinfect all drinkers and feed hoppers. The idea is to kill off any disease that may be present before the vaccination. You must make sure that you have given enough time for the antibiotic to leave the birds system before vaccinating. That is why it is best to give them the rest period I have told you about. The antibiotic can spoil the action of the vaccine. I use amoxicilin rather than baytril because I think baytril is a bit too harsh. On the other hand, if you think the birds are suffering from the disease, even subclinically, I would use baytril.

frank-123

My opinion is that, your birds need a course of antibiotic to prepare them for the vaccination. This means that it is not the best idea to vaccinate for paratyphoid at weaning. Paramixovirus, yes. But not paratyphoid. It is much better to wait for the birds to gain a little more maturity and strength. This is because if you use a live vaccine as I do, it has quite an impact on the birds. That is why I would not let them out for several days after the injection. But, at the end of the day, I believe it is well worth it.

I hope that these suggestions have been helpful.

Owen

 

[mark croker]

Good advise, but unless you wean all young over on the same day i would not inject for paramixo, your birds need to be away from others for atleast 14 days, if you dont wean them on the same day you will be incresing that period and giving your birds more of a chance of getting the virus, i wait untill all birds are in the loft and no more are going in, jmo