Diamond dave Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Leighton - very interesting - is this correct ? - Where is this gland. Wouldn't the area around the gland be constantly greasy? Where is the ring around the neck. Is the bloom that is left on top of the bath dead skin.......? D.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Easy enough to tell the 'real' thing, if there is such a thing , mine are silky coming out the nest. I think it's in the breeding, not the feeding. Another thread on here, Jimmy White I think it was, said there are two distinct feathering types, drier coarser feather associated with sprinters, and silky smooth associated with long distance pigeons. theres more good looking nowts than winners don't care wat they look or feel like had hold of unc topper worst pigeon ever seen or handled heart and brains wat count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frank dooman Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 theres more good looking nowts than winners don't care wat they look or feel like had hold of unc topper worst pigeon ever seen or handled heart and brains wat count yes agree my good distance family you wouldnt give a second look at they are just doo,s nothing special to look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Sorry Don - didn't mean to cause you any embarresment but very grateful for your advice - as from everyone contributing to this thread. The debate now seems to be taking 4 angles - 1). Those that think the silky feathering is inherent in the strain........... 2). Those that think it can be fed into the pigeons ......... 3). Those that think it is applied (through the bath or sprayed on)......... 4). Those that think it is induced by form.......... Many of the fancirs that have commented on this thread are top fliers and some have different opinions - for Novices and beginners this now becomes a little confusing. Is this condition now a Myth or should we be striving to use all of these methods prior to basketing our birds.......? Silky feathering is inherent. The condition of same pigeon can worsen or be elevated by certain factors. Ill health can make the feather feel drier whereas tip-top health can make it feel silkier bordering on oily/damp. You can increase the amount of bloom on a pigeon (making it feel silkier) by giving it a hand bath in warm water massaging its skin at the same time then place the pigeon in a basket overnight next to a radiator (one that’s on ;D). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighton1984 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Leighton - very interesting - is this correct ? - Where is this gland. Wouldn't the area around the gland be constantly greasy? Where is the ring around the neck. Is the bloom that is left on top of the bath dead skin.......? D.D. the gland is by the rump just above the the tail this some time can get blocked and needs help to open. the gland is like a grease nipple. the ring shows up when the pigeon is in top health and top form shows a ring round round the neck and breast. they will be some skin in the water but you can see it better on top off the droppings the call it dust like little specks of white. the white on top of bath is the bloom off the birds flights. Piet De Weerd all ways looked for wet pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owen Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I bought a pigeon from a small but very successful loft in Belgium. Now all my pigeons have beautiful feathering, soft and silky with a nice shine. But this pigeon is something else. His feathering are like down and he literally slips through your hands. To be honest, I was not sure what to make of him at first, but I kept him because he was differant and besides I paid a good bit for him. I think it will be very interesting to see what he produces with a known good breeding hen. I wonder if his feathering is part of the reason why he could be a good sprinter, or at least his relitives are. Maybe I'll learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam owen Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I bought a pigeon from a small but very successful loft in Belgium. Now all my pigeons have beautiful feathering, soft and silky with a nice shine. But this pigeon is something else. His feathering are like down and he literally slips through your hands. To be honest, I was not sure what to make of him at first, but I kept him because he was differant and besides I paid a good bit for him. I think it will be very interesting to see what he produces with a known good breeding hen. I wonder if his feathering is part of the reason why he could be a good sprinter, or at least his relitives are. Maybe I'll learn something. owen um bonkers ive seen that cock and your birds are alot nicer than him in condition ect dnt take this the wrong way just think u shud credit your birds alot more they are class and results proov that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiedoo. Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 does nobody think its in there genes instead of thinking its in all the other stuff youse think it is :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond dave Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 To Leighton - Thanks for that mate. That was a massive contribution. I am still keen to know about the "ring" around the neck - is it in the feather or in the skin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighton1984 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 To Leighton - Thanks for that mate. That was a massive contribution. I am still keen to know about the "ring" around the neck - is it in the feather or in the skin? its the feathers round the neck and breast it will stand out dave allen allways talked about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiedoo. Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 the ring shows up when the pigeon is in top health and top form shows a ring round round the neck and breast. i agree 100% with this a straight line not the colour blending in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frank dooman Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 yes robbie i think alot of it has to do with the family but it is one of the things that tells you all is well in the birds you wont get a badly bred bird to shine the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighton1984 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 when i see the ring and the pigeon is very still and watches every thing i do in the loft i will pool him. happened last year was 12 fed from the channel but all the cash went was not happy lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Leighton - very interesting - is this correct ? - Where is this gland. Wouldn't the area around the gland be constantly greasy? Where is the ring around the neck. Is the bloom that is left on top of the bath dead skin.......? D.D. The gland is found on the rump of the pigeon. It is believed the oil from this gland (Uropygial) only produces 10% of the pigeons protection against water the other 90% protection is made up of bloom. This page gives a better understanding of bloom http://www.avianmedicine.net/ampa/44.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Tony, thanks for that. Been looking for work corroborating with what I'd found and posted many times before, waterproofing is 10% preen gland oil, 90% powder down. Preen gland oil is mainly antifungal, and also helps the bird make Vitamin D. Leighton, more than a bit puzzled by this 'ring' round the neck. Are you talking about the bands of red / blue / green irridescent feathers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 theres more good looking nowts than winners don't care wat they look or feel like had hold of unc topper worst pigeon ever seen or handled heart and brains wat count Nobody was talking about good looking pigeons. We were talking about feather types, silky and sack? Obviously neither feather type decides a winning pigeon, otherwise there would only be one type. And in my opinion all winning pigeons look good whether or not they are good looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond dave Posted January 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Thankyou to everyone for your posts - so many people willing to offer the benefit of their experience and to help novices and beginners alike - I would never have made sense of this subject in a million years without your contributions - GREAT PEOPLE - GREAT SITE !!!!!!! D.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neila Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 Does anyone use flax oil on the corn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 Flax Oil from Holland & Barret and only during the big moult Sep / December 10mls per Kilo of feed. Lovely smooth shiny feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neila Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 Hi Peter I use to use flax oil years ago but one of them things I forgot about to the back end of the moult I will use it a couple of times of week to March ad I have it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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