YOUR BEST BREEDERS

[PIGEON_MAN]

I have read on the forum that we should not breed of pigeons that have not won races as this is the cause of so many losses,what are other members thoughts on this,what birds do you choose as stock and why,are your best breeders birds that have been your  best racers.

[lightning fast]

I have nestmates one toped the fed the other was an aveage racer, the one who has toped the fed has bread aveage birds the other has bread me a fed winner and g/sire to fed winners, you just dont know what will breed you winners, or we all would have lofts full of champs

[pjc]

best breeders have been gift birds as they have been from the best and not cast offs which are often all that is available to buy.

[whiteknight]

All i will say what bull suger,ive bred many winners out of parents that have never seen a basket not just one or two pairs many and winning for others .

[marmite]

some of my best pigeons have been bred from pigeons that didnt win a card but have homed  i think its more just luck  either a pairin works or it dont have paired winner to winner and all younguns gone before 1st race

[demolition man]

One of my best beeders was called Eighty Three,  I sent him training from 3mls to 15mls he would take days to come home,

 

because he was bred well and brother to many good winners, i put him to stock, mind you he had fantastic eye and handled like a dream, .

 

Eighty Three went on to breed myself and others a host of winners,againt 5,000 plus birds, but struggled to get home from a short toss.  

 

Regards Bernie

[pjc]

One of my best beeders was called Eighty Three,  I sent him training from 3mls to 15mls he would take days to come home,

 

because he was bred well and brother to many good winners, i put him to stock, mind you he had fantastic eye and handled like a dream, .

 

Eighty Three went on to breed myself and others a host of winners,againt 5,000 plus birds, but struggled to get home from a short toss.  

 

Regards Bernie

 

that reminds me of a pair I had back in the early 80's, the hen had 7 x 1st for me her nestmate was picked up in Bristol trying to drink from the hose while a guy was washing his car, next time sent training ended up in the workshop at Slough Gasworks eating the fitters sandwhiches!

Gave up trying to train him after that!

[kirky]

some of my best breeders have been late breds, from proven stock birds.

[Guest]

when i first started i asked the question on here "what to do" to make improvments etc ,was told pair best to best on most answers. the best i had was a nice looking hen (stock not flown out) and a cock that won me a 4th place in the club?? when i said this was my "best pair" most told me not to bother some said get shut and start again. they have been together 3 years now ... have bred club and fed card winners each year.             andy.

[mick..1978]

just goes to prove dont it i bred from a hen that hadnt been on the sheet she was spare so i put a young cock to her she bred 2 yb and theve had a 1st 3rd 5th and 2 9thclubs 10th 15 th and 17th fed so just proves to show you duno what youve got till you try them

[p charlton]

late breeds and winers or pigeons i pick to breed of lol

[walterbmasson]

 

i believe most sprinters will race up to 250miles t0 300mls then get mixed up with the north south east west  whats the word disorentated

[Guest stb-]

All i will say what bull suger,ive bred many winners out of parents that have never seen a basket not just one or two pairs many and winning for others .

 

would agree with that comment as most of my  best stock birds have not been even out of a loft far less in the basket    :)

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

I do believe that un tired pigeons maybe shouldn't be bred from.. but every breeding doo being a winner, im not so sure..

 

My father had a doo.. a Dark/Cheq Hen.. Su 79 G 4445.. the 'Dennes Hen'..

 

In her 7 years racing she was their timer from every race point on the card at some point..

 

She claimed 2nd Stafford, 2nd Worcester, 2nd Dorchester, 2nd Avaranches.. many times been beaten by loft mate..

 

She was then 2nd Region SNFC Rennes.. 560 miles on the shift.. beaten by a loft mate..

 

She never won a race in her life.. would you breed from her..??

[Guest frank dooman]

I have read on the forum that we should not breed of pigeons that have not won races as this is the cause of so many losses,what are other members thoughts on this,what birds do you choose as stock and why,are your best breeders birds that have been your  best racers.

 

my best breeding cock never won a thing in fact his best pos was 175th open at 550mls but he has bred over six to be in the top 65 of nat racing but he did race the channell over six times

[Guest]

I do believe that un tired pigeons maybe shouldn't be bred from.. but every breeding doo being a winner, im not so sure..

 

My father had a doo.. a Dark/Cheq Hen.. Su 79 G 4445.. the 'Dennes Hen'..

 

In her 7 years racing she was their timer from every race point on the card at some point..

 

She claimed 2nd Stafford, 2nd Worcester, 2nd Dorchester, 2nd Avaranches.. many times been beaten by loft mate..

 

She was then 2nd Region SNFC Rennes.. 560 miles on the shift.. beaten by a loft mate..

 

She never won a race in her life.. would you breed from her..??

 

personally , yes i would what consistency , excellent.    andy.

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

 

personally , yes i would what consistency , excellent.    andy.

 

She did go on to breed many top pigeons.. when paired with a Stichelbaut cock from Hugh Young.. who became known as Hoppy.. he was double rung with a Belgian and Scottish ring..

 

The Dennes hen ended up in my loft when i was a little boy.. she was 15 and couldn't be sold at the clearance sale..

 

She was the grand dam of a lt/cheq hen Su 89 G 3919.. who won stafford, Worcester, Cheltenham and Exeter 4 weeks in a row.. and was then 2nd from Sartilly, beaten by 10 mins by Jack McGougans great Blue Cock..

[yorkie]

our best breeders were just average racers and paired to other birds produced nothing much but paired together they seemed to click, the blues and blue pieds were always best, if they bred a chequer it was never any good, has anyone else noticed this?

[billt]

our best breeders were just average racers and paired to other birds produced nothing much but paired together they seemed to click, the blues and blue pieds were always best, if they bred a chequer it was never any good, has anyone else noticed this?

 

Thats what worked in your family, the ones carrying the pied gene were obviously the better ones

[Guest rodders]

had a mealy cock that won 12 1st prizes as yb and yearling then four years in stock loft with diffrent hens never got a card winner out of him

[Bugsy]

The answer to this one is quite simple and I will give an example as the answer, I bought a direct daughter of champion Rainstorm from louella and she became our number one stock pigeon and bred multiple winners at the very highest level (fed and national). Champion Rainstorm was bred in 1975 and he was bred from a 1975 Y/B and bought by Massarella along with the other first Verheye introductions(how many would buy a y/b from a y/b) . The daughter of Rainstorm we bought bred our Champion racer 'National Man' a winner of 3rd Nat 410 miles, 8th Nat 410 miles and 10th Nat 322 miles, National Man is the Sire, G.sire, G.G.Sire of hundreds of winners including 3 x 1st National(his full brother won 9 x 1st). Now if you consider how this started with a  y/b bred from a y/b to produce 'Rainstorm' then you can clearly see that both untried and tried will breed you winners, the trick is to have the stock sense to select for breeding and the ability to race them, quite simply thats what separates fanciers, always has done and always will because today just about every fancier in the country has access to good and well bred pigeons.

 

John Burgham  (hope this example helps)

[owen101]

if you are new to the sport

you buy stock the best that you can

it is proven stock by the pedigrees but has never been near a basket

[billt]

Totally agree with bugsy on this topic, I think breeding is 80% fancier and 20% bird, give good birds to a poor fancier and they will soon be poor birds, poor bird to a good fancier in a couple of seaspns will be better birds

[Taylorsloft]

had a mealy cock that won 12 1st prizes as yb and yearling then four years in stock loft with diffrent hens never got a card winner out of him

 

good racing pigeons never seem to breed there like  

[Guest IB]

I don't think there is a magic formula otherwise we would all have lofts full of champions, as the other post says. I would give an arm for a channel winner, but I'd give an arm and a leg for a bird that has multiple channel positions.  

 

The pigeon I regard as my stock cock raced only as a YB, he flew the young bird programme and the YB National. He in turn is down from a hen that has multiple channel positions. So the potential was there in theory [birds pedigree] and practice [birds performance]. There were 2 blank years, barren / old hen, but each year I tried him mostly with a yearling hen having a distance background, brought in specially for him. I usually took 6 off them and raced the youngsters ~ 'progeny testing' ~ and in most cases I lost them long before I got them to the channel races. Reckon that wasn't all down to poor quality pigeons though, a lot of that was down to me learning the ropes. Yes you learn though your mistakes, but it loses a lot of pigeons, and they can't all be bad. Started racing in 2003 and it was 2009 before I got to race the channel got 4 home, 3 x 2 y-o and a yearling, all related to that cock paired with 3 different hens .