Good birds at a Good Price

[Guest]

I think the issue hear is about getting the facts out in the open. I don't think it's a funny place to sell pigeons my feeling though is that often it's the last place. A lot of sellers tend to go to elimar first and then when they can't sell there they tend to pop up here. Or if they think they won't get the inflated prices because let's be fair most start at quite a high reserve, they come here.

The situation is clear for me now, It's not about Stuart sold my aunties favourite cousin a lovely cock with a double hernia two years ago. It's simply about prospective buyers having all the information they need to make a judgement as to whether they can take the risk with these birds. With some responsible members asking questions because they had heard concens about these birds everyone is now in a better position to decide one way or the other. I will declare my interest too I had no intention on bidding on these birds because I could not visit to see if there were any suitable for me.

i would however like to conclude with two comments. Stuart you say you are not making anything out of this sale, I think you have taken quite a risk with your reputation if that is the case. Secondly I hope you made the webmaster aware of the background to these birds before posting, because after all it's his site and he should be made aware of anything that might be risky to the site.

[Michael J Burden]

We have some 100 birds that have been left in the Dutch Open, They completed the full program of Flying but finished outside the first 200 and have not been claimed by there owners. These do not have padigrees so i will offer them at £25 each or £20 each if you order 3 pairs (i.e £120).

 

These birds are bred from some of the best fanciers in Holland and you have the option of contacting the owner for detials. Pairs will be selected by Raymond and approved by me prior to being sent out. There are some real beuties and colours so if your looking for something new at a credit crunch rate what do you have to lose, they have all flown 4 races including the 350KM final race.

 

I will do my utmost to only send my normal high quality.

 

Stuart Wilcox

07715 166066

 

The trouble is a lot never read what is or has been written otherthan the last posting and go off on one. Here is Stu's first posting.

[Silverdale Lofts]

i bought some jan ardeen hens of stu a couple of years ago.and i must say the quality shown through when i opened the box.i dont know why there so much talk.you takes your chances on them.good luck with sale mate.

 

Dave dont think this is the issue here we all know Stuart sells some good birds i have bought birds in the past from Stuart but why wasnt it brought up about the illness in the first place i know you take your chance but its a big chance if they are still carriers just going off this topic i did notice on another thread a fancier selling birds on pigeon basics says there is paratyphoid  salmonella and paramyxo virus doing the rounds this year and hes had it would you buy birds off him if you had known this dont think so.

[Roland]

Roland, i will again state that the birds that i offered finished from 201st to 400th in the final race.

 

I get the feeling i will end today again wishing i never bothered. I dont know Pigeon Basics is a funny place!

 

Not from me as I wasn't interested in buying any... But it is out now and one way or another things will move on.

Now like a previous poster said 'If the seller that is not so popular, say Timbarra, A, Hitchcok etc. would they have been hung out to dry'? I guess so.

Fairs fair, but like you know, Folks are made up of some quirk behavior.

And like I stated as of no interest to I shall refrain from posting again on this subject if possible, but Stu did - rightly - address me.

And P.s. let's not have any slants at me to the effect that I have put a downer on 'Folks being able to get some class pigeons etc.' for that is simple not true and wouldn't hold water.

 

[mark]

heres a chance for fanciers to get some decent birds from a man with a 100% reputation to hold up in the pigeon world,,,,,,does every body think stu would sell you birds of doubt with his reputation at stake,i dont think so !!!

 

                    most fanciers moan at the price of birds,now heres your chance to get the goods and put your money where your mouths are,i dont know stu personaly.but,from what i know of him on here,he is doing you all a favour to help you fanciers,,,,,yet,like most fanciers,,,whinge,moan,groan and do naff all to help yourselves !!!

 

         and you same fanciers wonder why the sport is in decline !!

 

I AM NOT GOING TO GET IN ANY SLANGING MATCH ON THIS SUBJECT,JUST THINK BEFORE YOU ALL JUMP THE GUN FIRST !!!

 

ps,,,,not getting at no one in particular,just voicing my thoughts on this !!!

 

as far as sellers go i dont think you can get  none better.

[joe61]

stuart you say birds from 200 to 400 place why not birds from 1st to 200 offerd on pigeon basics ???

 

oh happy days

[mark]

stuart you say birds from 200 to 400 place why not birds from 1st to 200 offerd on pigeon basics ???

 

oh happy days

 

because they have already been sold try reading through the posts you might see it.

[mark]

if these birds are from that loft the there health has to be brought into question as i know birds culled at lofts but others recovered and indeeed are picture but future health young is suspect as birds that recover are carriers for up to three years

 

even if the vet has given the birds a clean bill of health.?

[ChrisMaidment08]

stuart you say birds from 200 to 400 place why not birds from 1st to 200 offerd on pigeon basics ???

 

oh happy days

common sense they would be sold as other lofts do  then rest dribble in sales stuart is not responsable for num birds sold commonsense  but as he states the loft did have infection which is honest  me i would not touch them unless copy of report on tests were avaiable to see which is difficult i know as birds not here but abroard thats no reflection on stuart but if he is selling on behalf of others it could backfire risky idea

 

 

[Fair Play]

I would find it exceedingly strange for two well known fanciers to put their reputations on the line by supplying so called "Carriers/Infected" pigeons to the fancy. The ramifications would be catastrophic for them

[Guest Paulo]

YBS is rife in the UK anyway

[Fair Play]

It would be very interesting if we were ever to find out how many birds carrying or were infected with ybs were "unwittingly" sent to One Loft Races

[swilcox]

Lads there is nothing wrong with asking questions, im all for it just dont make statements that are incorrect.

 

The fact is all One Loft Races are effected by high levels of invection, and in the Dutch Open Loft the government imposed a restriction of 8-12 weeks, try telling an government offical what YBS is.

 

This ment the following;

 

1) The pigeons were not let out untill 3 months old and flyaway numbers were high.

2) They Held little local knowledge when training commenced.

3) They were jumped in Training as the last race had to take place before the weather changed and loses were high.

4) With all this they completed the 350km Final Race.

 

These birds have already shown, Strength, Resistance and Homing Ability!! Speed they didnt hence the reason they finished outside the top 200.

 

They are in perfect health and condition and they were for sale at £20 each!! I say were as they are going very fast.

[Roland]

YBS is rife in the UK anyway

 

I wonder why  :-/   ... at this rate it will hit epicdemic proportions.  

Most well known regarded fanciers wouldn't entertain their own if this even if it was in their lofts. They'd say, never be no more good as a racer. Definately no good to breed from, and realistically they'd give you a wry look as if your bonkers and spread empty hands being polite and say 'Why risk it'! Why indeed.

Further, please, please no more clap trap about 'Names' and their' honesty etc., that went out in the year of dot. It happens every week, greed, off shooting.. Time some woke up and smelt the coffee.

I know for example two fanciers often spoke of in the highest estemm on here - No they aren't posters on here. Both sell 'Old stock' that they haven't raced for years... One made a great name for a certain 'Strain / family' and THAT was way before they were ready. Yes another family did the honours, but later the second family did do well etc. He will tell you so him self if asked.

Another fell out with a certain fellow because he refused to seell him any more birds. Why, the answer was 'Never given credit. The fancier replied. 'Well I can't, I have to sell my birds ... '- which incidently hadn't raced for years, ut were still taking the credit.

 

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

 

I wonder why  :-/   ... at this rate it will hit epicdemic proportions.  

Most well known regarded fanciers wouldn't entertain their own if this even if it was in their lofts. They'd say, never be no more good as a racer. Definately no good to breed from, and realistically they'd give you a wry look as if your bonkers and spread empty hands being polite and say 'Why risk it'! Why indeed.

Further, please, please no more clap trap about 'Names' and their' honesty etc., that went out in the year of dot. It happens every week, greed, off shooting.. Time some woke up and smelt the coffee.

I know for example two fanciers often spoke of in the highest estemm on here - No they aren't posters on here. Both sell 'Old stock' that they haven't raced for years... One made a great name for a certain 'Strain / family' and THAT was way before they were ready. Yes another family did the honours, but later the second family did do well etc. He will tell you so him self if asked.

Another fell out with a certain fellow because he refused to seell him any more birds. Why, the answer was 'Never given credit. The fancier replied. 'Well I can't, I have to sell my birds ... '- which incidently hadn't raced for years, ut were still taking the credit.

 

 

 

B******* treated right a bird will recover and will be good as a racer if its got any talent and if its owner knows his game. Its like saying if Ricky Hatton got the flu or shits or tummy bug it would ruin him as a boxer for life

[joe61]

top birds were sold in holland you will sell the rest to fanciers in the uk they will buy anything with a foreian ring on it  just my opinion

 

oh happy days

[Delboy]

 

B******* treated right a bird will recover and will be good as a racer if its got any talent and if its owner knows his game. Its like saying if Ricky Hatton got the flu or shits or tummy bug it would ruin him as a boxer for life

 

Spot on. YBS is just part of keeping pigeons nowadays.Everybody gets it , to some degree .

[Guest]

Well Joe I agree with you ............. but that ain't Stuart's fault, you pays your money and makes your choice. The facts are known and this thread has highlighted the facts and  Stuart has answered every query and after all its not his bag; he's not earning a penny out of this. He also says that they are going fast which shows how good his reputation is.

[joe61]

albear agree with you the facts are known except 1 no one in holland want these birds not even for £20 each so is stuart doing a good turn at £20 a go or a bad turn in fetching them over ??

 

oh happy days

[Guest]

Joe I wasn't aware these had been put up for sale in Holland, thought they had only sold the first 200 there?

[Guest]

I assume that Stuart will ensure that whoever he is selling these birds on behlaf of, makes the normal financial contribution to the site.

[Guest]

Stuart i would like to take this oppurtunity to appologise on open forum it must be that im a little bit slow and misunderstood postings & pm about this subject and you are right people shouldnt post false statements but i have noticed that some people do put thier fingers in gear before thier brains and post before checking,this is why i originally pm you to ask about probs encountered and not post on forum, and as you told me in reply via pm and i quote one section contracted a mystery virus and very honest of you to tell me, however with concern as to what virus was i then contacted fancier in Holland as stated in my post and i put exactly what he told me virus was i did not play it up just put what i was told then in reply 32 you say it was yb type virus then in reply 62 or 63 you say it was ybs (try explaining ybs to a vet or something like that) so was i posting false statements or was illness mystery virus ,a type of ybs or definatly ybs  regards Tony ps just so you are aware i am trying to get copy of gov vets report sorry i forgot it must be ybs cos stuart says so in this the case

[Roland]

I wasn't talking of ybs... indeed never even seen that mentioned!! and well you know, more like the Quote from a Dutch fancier ' i asked about this illness his replie was Ecoli-Bacteria,Adeno Herpes Virus Paratyphus ' etc. end of quote.

If a decent flyer had that in your club you'd be moaning about them sending their birds to tha races, let alone in the same basket.

And I've never, like a lot more in two of the clubs I am in, had YBS. and these birds have flown right through programs ...

[maxwell]

Are these the same birds that are on Pipa at the moment the winners & Ace Pigeons.

[DOVEScot]

Nothing against Swilcox but if Timbarra or A Hitchcock were selling the very same birds would the opions of some be the same :-/