Thanks i just thought i would ask the question as its a long winter for us doo men gives us something to think about , ive been out the game sinse 2001 and got back into this year when i had them first time around i would say that the busschaerts were the dooz to have dont think i new a fancier that didnt have them they won from 1st race to national level all over the country , just wondered if theres a strain of pigeon that could be as good or even as versatile as the bushys once were everyones got there favourites of course