Dunk mate i think the territory thing goes right out the window having driven a tar lorry for years and being in and out of the local quarrys there are pairs everywhere duntiland (just past salsburgh) cairnhill tarmack about a mile away if it is and tams loup (tillicoutry) just outside harthill that's got to be the easiest one to spot drive in the gate 100 yards to the right and you are right on top of it just thought i would let the fancy know where not to Train from