Kyleakin Lofts

Good morning all.

Happy birthday.

Correct and all the posts referring to wing stamps and ID rings arose from post 6. None of them are relevant to Life Rings, so realising that the thread was drifting I made my final post, no mention of the wing stamp.

A good read.

Post 6 was before my post 7. Post 6 brought up the subject of wingstamps. Post 7 updated that member on the current position regarding the rule, so technically I didn't bring it up and merely commented on another post. I did realise that the thread was heading in a different direction and thus made comment to attempt to bring it back on line.

What is the Scottish Homing Union? Is it a Governing Body or an Administrative Body? Its objects state: a) The provision of an organisation for persons interested in pigeon racing and showing in all its branches. b] The provision of uniform rules and regulations for the ringing and registration of racing pigeons as to the ownership and transfer of same and for the conduct of races and shows. c) The promotion of races and shows and the provision of money and other prizes for same and grant donations for objects approved by the Annual General Meeting. d) The trading in any requisites for the provision and benefit of members as approved by the AGM from time to time. e) The provision of a court of appeal for the final disposal of all questions or disputes that may arise between and among its members and organisations. f) The protection and advancement of the interests of its members; with legal aid in respect of questions arising between themselves and / or third parties on matters falling within the foregoing objects and approved by the council. These objects, in my opinion, show that the SHU is an Administrative Body. a) Provides a body to organise racing and showing for its members. This is administration. b] Provides uniform rules and regulations for general conduct as well as races and shows, ring registration and transfers. This is administration. c) Promotion of races and shows providing prizes and donations. This is administration. d) Providing requisites. This is administration. e) Providing a court of appeal. This is administration. f) Member benefits. This is administration. Does the SHU meet its objects? a) How does the SHU organise racing and showing? I have no idea and for me they fail. To organise racing and showing, they should licence races and shows. This would create a uniformity and produce income for licence fees and renewals. What the SHU does is provide a list of race points, most of which they do not administer. They follow this up with the provision of measurements. They also provide race rules and show rules and ownership verification. b] On this object, for me, they pass to an extent. They do not follow up on their rules, but rather leave it to individual clubs to administer the rule which leads to object (e). To follow up, they would have to become a governing body and I do not think there is an appetite for this. c) On this object, for me, they pass. d) On this object, for me, they pass. e) On this object, for me, they pass. f) On this object, I know they make an effort, so pass. One could say they meet all objects of an administrative body, expecting their members and member organisations to administer their rules in a proper manner. Do the members and member organisations assist the SHU in this respect? Answer that yourself, but the Life Ring thread may shed some light on the matter. Pigeon people tend to prefer to argue points and may even create their own problems instead of attempting to assist the SHU by following the guidelines laid down and perhaps working toward the intention behind that guideline.

This rule is contrary to SHU rules and would therefore fail at a SHU tribunal. At one time this rule would have been OK, but last year SHU rules changed and that change over-rules this SNFC rule. This year the SHU fine tuned their rule. The SNFC and all other SHU clubs have to update their rules to keep them in line with the SHU which are the governing body in Scotland, I use the term very loosely. Enough about rules, what about Life Rings?

SHU only make the governing rules, they do not enforce them unless it is brought to them as a complaint. At that time they then have to step up to the plate. Whether they do or not is a moot point to be argued by them who know. Rules should be used as guidlines, not as battering rams. The problem is that some use them as battering rams to meet their own ends. When that happens, ill feeling ensues. What we should be doing is interpreting the intention behind the rule and working together to meet that purpose. However, this thread is meant to be about Life Rings, not about ID rings.

A rule is a rule. Enforcement is another matter. The rule was brought in to show that pigeon fanciers are responsible and care about their pigeons, making all attempt to ease their safe return should they become lost. There are an awful lot of "do-gooders" around and we must be sure there is no way they are able to point the finger at the racing pigeon fraternity.

Well done Dale. I struggled to collect all mine, so they are going nowhere.

Went through all this last year. SNFC is not a law unto itself. SNFC is a SHU club and must follow SHU rules. If you are refused, all it requires is a complaint to SHU. The only way round for SNFC is for all marking stations to have SNFC wing stamps bearing Mary's phone number. If they use these, then they could insist that any other ID be removed. This way if someone gets a young bird in, they would be phoning Mary and not the fancier, so no chance of an early retreival and clocking at the finders premises.

YB's must have either, no matter the organisation. SNFC is a SHU Club, so must comply and SNRPC is a RPRA club. I'm sure RPRA rules state they must carry ID.

The previous rule didn't allow ID rings, but they have been added because they are more visual for the non-fancier.

Good pic.

Good pics.

1966, 67, 68, 1988, 89/90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001 were the years published as far as I know.

Good morning all.

Happy birthday.

Welcome to the site.

Wingstamps are no longer compulsory Charlie. It changed at this December AGM. It is now wing stamps or ID Rings that are compulsory. It was discussed and agreed that non-fanciers would be more likely to see and use info from ID rings because they may not know to look for wing stamps. Members of all SHU Clubs must have personal or Club contact telephone details on all their young birds in the form of an ID ring or wing stamp. This is the new rule.

Turned them. Good photos.

Many reasons I think. Let's assume they all cost the same to produce. Different sized organisations place different sized orders resulting in different cost to the organisation. Different sized organisations can put them out cheaper because their income structure is different. More members means more income from membership, less to make up from elsewhere. Different sized organisations have different staffing and office requirements therefore completely different income / expenditure requirements. There will be more I am sure.