ste the dark cheq red i bred you is a nice cock , but the red grizzle should be the hen, i have never had a cock out of that pair with that colouring, the colouring goes back to a red pied cock of m/mrs blakeways janssens,there very good birds ang hard to loose,i will send you the peds when ive time bud,nice to see them on pigeon basics bud.Les