Roland

True! It was but a futile attempt to try and explain your forlorn hope, dream, of bettering your betters! To explain that yet again you will be doing nothing but gnashing your teeth, every competitions time. Even where old and miserable and bumping you gums you'll still be snarling at your better - namely your superiors the English - instead of looking in the mirror at the real culprit, reason ... Like trying to bring down others that achieve more, and are your betters. Namely those who have work harder. Those that have tried and have better them selves. Indeed always ahead of you. Instead of uselessly and constantly stroking a massive chip on your shoulders in a quagmire. Instead of bemoaning, showing what a sad lot you are, get out and try to be useful, as hard as that might be. Try to get a decent mindset and do better, rather than wallow in self pity and blame the English for your useless and futile attempts at achieving something. Something eh! The only thing a Scottish team ever achieves is a nothing! This world owes you nothing. The English owe you even less, - infact you are in reality a proven second class nation that have constantly drained a lot of the English coffers in their' loving, kind attempt, to educate you, to have constantly supported you - So stop taking solaces in others fallen attempts that are far, far better, higher than you have ever achieved. Indeed any achievement that you fail miserably time after time to achieve. Yep no hopers you are, and always will be it would appear. None starters spring to mind.

Obviously you can't understand the native tongue we gave you: For you can't even understand when one takes time to explain that your noncoherant rabblings arn't making sense and further why! But you seem to just stick the fingers into your ears even further and notice there was a reply and spout nore drival. Think in your ignoance of your betters you are using the adage of volume of arguement as to the sense of... which of course yet again you show to be lacking

Well I was going to pack up last August / September after one thing or another for the 4 - 5 years of S**t I'd had before, then losing nigh all my y/b's. Went Cozemel - Mexico and thought long and hard. Yep thought I'd get shot of.... Maybe a few Tipplers / Tumblers and rollers. Came home and the first thing I did was spend 3 hours or so cleaning out the loft etc. Missis says 'You aint packing up'! Guess not. Yep have brought in extensively and and had 2 races... First week pretty good, last week, ET didn't work as I only took the Clock and not the Pocket piece... so my mistake.... Just as well, was way way down and was the best time to have that learning curve eh! So a break is as good as a rest and my problems weren't nothing to do with B.O.P. Etc. They have cleared off from this area it appears again. Yes did start getting to be a nuisance, but gone now. So get them sorted and enjoy.

Was a wee lad, when I was sixteen, yep a Scottish lad at that. About 6 inches shorter than me incidently. One who taught me a valid lesson! Yep around the age of sixteen I was an aggravating git to say the least. Always dishing it out and playing tricks at others expense. Regardless of who they were and age, position etc. I will admit I never ducked nor dived any one. Never a bully, indeed I loath them, so… all was fair game. One day this lad turned the tables on me real good. Yep he got me a peach and boy did I feel foolish. So knowing no better - like yous two - I proceeded to pick him up to give him a little shake like. Again he cut me dead and made me feel even smaller and SO much more stupid via simply stating a home truth... ‘If you can't take it you shouldn't dish it out'! How right he was! How I learnt, I was so ashamed and apologised big time. Since then I've always lived by that adage. Indeed I'm very thankful to him. Like another good friend taught me, oh so long ago. One only calls you the most horrid things that they can think of... things that they believe will upset and make you feel bad. So what do you call them? Why the very same things and names, just dish it back! For they are the very names that will get under their’ skin. Yep because it is the worst insults in their’ eyes that they can muster! Ring a bell Ding Dong, roll on! So there you two have it. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. But in your naivety don't think you have some god given right to abuse, dish out the dirt,be so smug. For you don't! And as your posts have told every one that bothered to read your drivel, you certain like dishing it out .... but you certainly don't like it back. YEP you can’t hack it… like a bully I guess, he sees the hurt and pain he inflicts upon hapless souls… dreads and can’t hack when it when someone stands up to them incase they get some back, like the pair of yous.

We all know, well most people, that there is actually very little, - daren't say virtually none-, Tuna in tins, or anywhere in fact. Only available off the coast of Canada's B.C. Mostly it is Dolphin or shark that is tinned, with a flavouring. If it says Dolphin free, it is possibly Porpoise or such... or shark of course. Now when one listens to the 100,000 tons shipped a day etc. from Veitnam ... the Tokyo markets sells 10,000 tons of fish a day... Read on and listen to this

I kindly take into account your lack of education. But please could you explain just what the *expletive removed* you are mumbling about? Perhaps a gap between sentences! Then a break each time a new topic / subject is started, and or approached. Why? Because you're rambling away incoinherently which shows a lacking of education, and thought. P.s it doesn't take a mite of intelligence to understand that if the English voted against say Chris Hoy, then all the other votes of the nations would be rendered useless and insumountable... A bit like Scotland next challenges I suppose lol Please reply and cheer me up some more. Gosh how quickly yesterday has been forgotten ad our next elevated venture over the Scots is being gleefully awaited lol

Yep, to get grand stand tickets for the exodous of the Scots from European Cups lol. Yep every cloud has a silver lining eh! You see, it doesn't matter how bad or desolate the English feel or down they get, The quickest remedy is to remember 'At least we aint Scottish eh! We aint no hopers that never was and never will be. eh How our poorest peformances that are slagged of and are dismal... We are still classes above any the Scot have ever done eh! Yep a sure remendy to cheer us up, knowing we will most likely be in the European Cup whereas per normal the Scots will most definately won't be!

start again. When the English will probably once again be the only home nation to qualify and representing ALL the home nations. Ireland should be there hopefully. Wales, not quite and Scotland as usual no chance lol. Then yet again it will be 'The night of the long knifes'. The Scottish applying their version of the 'Eyes of March'. Mustering up the usual hababuloo with their' anti English antics. When their’ uncalled for shenanigans start again in a stupor of innate jealousies lol. Mind we are use to it after countless decade, centuries I guess, …. Aye it tough always being at the top lol

Sapper756 I've heard that excuse, and many more as such. Gosh if you psychoanalyse what you have just stated, admitted it is widely touted as an excuse, then it shows once again the unfounded biases and myths you lot wallow in. The realism of that doesn’t make sense, and at best is tedious to say the least. Maybe the Scots should, just for once, look at themselves and ask themselves the truth of the matter and why. Gosh, it’s like the silly nonsense that the Scots use that they believe it was an insult in 1966 that no Scottish grounds were used at the world cup and that is why they hated 1966! Well beside the hordes of uncontrollable jocks behaviour lol; it would have also have had to applied for Wales and Ireland as host nations. Meaning 4 host nations that didn’t need to qualify. Get real! Besides Sapper, we don’t set the standard. It is up to you lot to keep up, or like you have done fall way behind. Don’t blame us for your inferiorities, or lack of abilities and skills etc. you seldom have, or can muster. Don’t blame us that you have had great players that are not able to blend into a team. Just look at the individual great players of your 1978 side – when we didn’t qualify. Not only did you let yourselves down badly, but the home countries too. Yet we English supported you, as we always do, to the hilt. I’ll will admit that it must be very frustrating, week in week out, year in year out, decades upon decades, not being up to the class, standard even, of your neighbours, or even the standards required. But to show such signs of envy in childish displays, to cloud issues in a futile attempts to blame others, and bring down your betters; well that is deplorable! As they say in this game of pigeons racing, don’t knock others because they are winning! Yes and all the other envious malingering you savour. Just look at your selves and improve and stop knocking those that try harder, put more work and effort into succeeding. Yep you Jocks are exactly like those ‘Jealous’ guys we hear so much of in this pigeon sport. Indeed, the fact is you are exactly like them, in both reasoning and behaviour. We English voted Chris Hoy ‘Sportsman of the Year’ we also cheer and rally around ALL the home nations, eager and hopful that they will excel. So that I suppose means the English are also far, far better sportsmen than the Jocks to boot!

Yep.... Seems the Scots have a tendancy to laugh at the truth lol Mind a simple realism why eh!

It is better to have played and lost, then never played at all! It is so often the sorry state of affairs that the inferiors knock and do their best to degrade, belittle their’ superiors. In all walks this is true I would deem. Yet isn't it really sad - and pathetic - when a far better and classier team for example, one that is classes above those with nothing in real terms, ones who never achieve anything, such as Scotland, are so envious that they find solace in their’ betters downfall!. One so called nation, whom indeed very seldom ever have mores the pity, achieved anything; take it as a victory to deride their’ betters! To deride sides such as England for instance, for their’ superiority over Scotland (Which isn't hard). They bleat on with fingers in ears as if this forlorn and dreary attitude embodies their’ poor useless showings into one of acceptability. Let's face it; EVERYONE bar them it appears, knows it's not. Time to stop squawking through haggis banter and tavern talk and get up, stand up, for a change and be counted. Better still instead of being tiresome, to try and better themselves, forlorn hope as it is. One thing other that they can't seem to get into their heads, even the notion, they are shameful. Indeed they are a disgrace to the Great Britain in as much that they are never a part of anything, alway just failing miserably. That in it’s self is dismal, and useless, one that never even tries to play football at a decent level. To EVEN try to qualify for the European, let alone the World Cup would be an vast improvement! A team that has only proven it it’s not wanted to be managed by any one! Why because they are so bad. One that is just a whimsical bad dream just - Even Walter Smith washed his hands of them! Other foreigners run for the hills. Even Daglish and co would rather suck razor blades. So with a pathetic voice their’ sing praise to a weed. Come to think of it, how fitting that is.

Obviously designed via Scotsman. Here is the complete list of Scottish champions etc. Yes their' 'HALL OF FAME'. I thought beings it is such a short, contrived, little list I'd post it in it's it's entirety. But haven't time to decipher for them so thought I'd post as such and let them get some 'English Scholars' to translate it for them lol. Mind I have to admit there are some greats there and some great performances. indeed a couple of my favourites. Also I think a few other like Chris Hoy etc. will be joining them.

Is that why Holland are still dominating the world cup then

Doo boy, Kirky Cowboy, you’re letting your inferiority, and the unsavoury complex of your' betters show through - Namely the English! Pathetic yes.

Nothing wrong with Cappello. Except playing no hopers like Rooney, who can only play with team mates and 65.000 bias fans that intimidate the ref -- one who is usually way over the top in his bias against anything Man U. - One that has to have Fergies' permission to ref. Some great club players never turn it on, well not above once for their country. Daglish is a prime case. Great for club, and Scotland better when he got dropped. Barnes, Rooney, Lampard, and Johnson are either never there or cocking up. But I think Lewadebob sums us up.

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Yep doo Boy. We got squashed. Same plonkers that should never been in the squad let us down badly, Lampard, Rooney, Johnson etc.... though to be honest none preformed as well as they should have. Having said that, you can only play as good, or as well as the opposition allows. So we were poor. No two ways about that. Indeed it highlights only too well Why Scotland never ever get close to getting there, especially over the last 30 years and more. Maybe, it's because they daren't go! I mean if we get stuffed 4 - 1. Just think of the avalanche of goals Scotland would conceed... 12 or more at least if they last World cup performances, so called progress is anything to go by. I mean losing to Macedonia 1 – 0 Scotland Netherlands 3 – 0 Scotland Norway 4 – 0 Scotland Scotland 0 – 1 Netherlands - their best result outside of actually winning against Iceland... WHO? Exactly. I mean just where are we that you can spout about not even qualifying against the likes of Iceland, Macedonia, Norway etc. No think you jocks did the right thing and save all the embassasment by staying at home . Yep sad as it is, was the right dicision ... Well would have been if you'd had been given a chance lol

Wind your neck in mucker... the green is spilling out of your collar onto your face lol Mind it doesn't hide the brown stuff spilling from your mouth lol Bonney England, Bonney England we'll support you ever more ...

Well said Owen. And having to prove the abiliy and qualities the youngsters pocess is all impotant - otherwise no point and everything is chance and willy nilly. So I still say it is foolhardy to Inbreed unless the Hen - Cock bird is something special and well proven. One can have generations of birds like pees in the pod.... but if beaten by a paper bag on a wind assisted day, then personally I believe it is a waste of time. I tend to see, whether it was just more noriceable to me or not I don't know. But going back to the 'Strain makers' as such, it was inevertably the introduction, or out cross that made the 'Nmae'. Correct me in I'm wrong of course. Good at relating parts and the essences of what I read read... not always in the order they were lol, But was intrigued by the birds Jansenns Old man had introduced, many by his sons that made a 'Name'. By the way it is good to see both Owen and Clayton back and posting. This site certainly needs more like you two ... indeed may I say every site lol.

Well think 2 0 England and Scotland non starters lol Sorry, never made it .... yet again! : (

However this particular colony has as a result of inbreeding become the best outcross available in modern times. The cock Toey.... The base pigeon Tom. Yes Clayton no ones says otherwise. But one must have birds way above the norm 'Good Homer' as a Foundation' I believe.

Tis a foolhardy fallacy unless you know what you are doing and why and just what you hope to achieve. I mean unless the 'Pigeon' you want to reproduce is an absolute belter, top draw, then why in breed? You will only breed inferior stuff etc. Remember you can’t put in what’s not there to begin with. Only via an introduction is that possible. Line breeding is simpler and more effective that hold the family traits with out cross between 2 - 3 proven families of birds. Now in nature it is very rare, indeed mostly only through unseen circumstance that there is any inbreeding in any animal and bird, to good effect, as this will prove. Now when you have read this http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/275/1635/703.full and understand it ... I have some more too in line breeding which is reality. Simply you have a great Cock bird (Or hen / or both) that has a few Fed wins or better to it's name. You then mate a related bird, daughter, Mother etc. etc or what ever. Then you place these youngsters in a stock loft and bring in a cross to add vigour etc. to the off spring for racing. The off spring aren't to race... it is the outcrosses from them that race. So it is incest breeding for stock and outcross breeding for the race team. Remember it seems that these are the youngsters filling up the churches and cluttering the pavements. Losses are tremendous too unless done right. Madness etc. deformities etc. etc. are also a part and partial to the game. So yes 'Names' have bred great birds - never tell you how many are lost, nor what percentage. But a very many youngster are bred from this system. Good luck matey.

It is a lot higher than that, mine, like many others' names don't appear on that showing. But it is good to see the site going upwards and onwards.

Well, if that is the case, then you are one that is allowing it. This site, like many others have given stacks of good rememdies.