David I think we should leave it at that as you appear to be a bit too deep for me and have me lost with your logic, I also do not take kindly to your rude remarks above which is a first for me in over 40 years in the sport,and yes you are correct there were only 16 birds in the whole season that competed with the SNFC this year flying over 600miles. I do not take credit off birds and think I am one of the first to offer my hand in congratulations!!!and yes it is hard to fly birds into the west!!